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Old 04-03-2011, 10:02 PM   #826
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I know I'll get grief for this but I'd say Flacco isn't good (honestly, would you really want him as our qb?). Hasselback, although once good, isn't what he used to be, and does not deserve to make the list.
As of right now hell yeah.
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Old 04-03-2011, 10:03 PM   #827
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Joe Flacco is Jason Campbell V2 IMO
How exactly???
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Old 04-03-2011, 10:44 PM   #828
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The notion that Flacco does not throw for a ton of yards because he plays in an offense which does not throw much has already been addressed. You are penalizing him for his offensive system.

Besides, NFL.com has him 11th in passing yards last year, not 20th as you claim. He was 9th in yards per attempt, which is a much fairer basis for comparison.

Last year he had a higher YPA and better TD/Int ratio than Peyton Manning.

And he is young. He has his best years ahead of him.
NFL.com has the ravens at 20th in pass yards per game and Flacco started every game. To me thats even more pathetic because that means that 9 teams had their makeshift qb stables surpass Flacco, the supposed franchise qb.
I don't believe that their offensive system is the reason for why he doesn't throw many yards. I don't believe that in the modern era of football that any team with a true franchise qb doesn't use him because they want to run the ball more. The players dictate the system just as much as the system dictates the players. What plays are called are a reflection of the confidence in the players.

Despite that Flacco leads the league in sacks due to holding on to the ball for too long, and his playoff numbers are by the worst of any quarterback of all time who has played in 7 games (hell I'd take a guess and say 3). He averages 150 yards per game, and has a ratio of 4tds to 10 turnovers (9 interceptions).

Don't blame it on him being young. Mark Sanchez who has played in 5 playoff games has blown him out of the water (even though he hasn't been spectacular)...and I don't even believe in Mark Sanchez (thats a whole another debate, and I don't feel like getting into that so please don't respond about sanchez).
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How exactly???
Good enough to stick around, not good enough to win when the qb is needed.
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^ exactly . Flacco is a solid player but he's never going to be a top 10-15 QB in the NFL just like JC was never either. Both guys have good arms but not very accurate and Joe has had a wag Better team than JC ever had.
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^ * way better *
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:42 AM   #832
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Have heard from four different people now (and maybe they're all hearing it from the same person) that the Seahawks like Dalton at #25 and the Broncos like Ponder or Kaepernick (if either is there) at the top of the 2nd.
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Have heard from four different people now (and maybe they're all hearing it from the same person) that the Seahawks like Dalton at #25 and the Broncos like Ponder or Kaepernick (if either is there) at the top of the 2nd.
I figured as such with Dalton after finally getting a chance to watch him. He probably deserves a second round grade but with his accuracy and intangibles some team will have no problem taking him late in the first. Ponder on the other hand I could easily see falling to the early 3rd round like McCoy. Based on the scenario you laid out I would guess that the Bronco's would lean more towards Kaepernick if for nothing more then the fact that Elway would probably see more of himself in Kaepernick.

By the way I still say we're going to take Locker with our first pick, weather it be at 10 or the late teens via trade back. This is Shanahan's guy.
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:53 AM   #834
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I figured as such with Dalton after finally getting a chance to watch him. He probably deserves a second round grade but with his accuracy and intangibles some team will have no problem taking him late in the first. Ponder on the other hand I could easily see falling to the early 3rd round like McCoy. Based on the scenario you laid out I would guess that the Bronco's would lean more towards Kaepernick if for nothing more then the fact that Elway would probably see more of himself in Kaepernick.

By the way I still say we're going to take Locker with our first pick, weather it be at 10 or the late teens via trade back. This is Shanahan's guy.
No longer convinced it's Newton?

I'm sticking to my thought that if we stay at #10 and he's there, Quinn's our guy...in large part 'cause I'm too lazy to think otherwise
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No longer convinced it's Newton?

I'm sticking to my thought that if we stay at #10 and he's there, Quinn's our guy...in large part 'cause I'm too lazy to think otherwise
Ehhh, I had to give up on Newton after hearing that he's pretty much a lock to be a top 5 pick. Locker on the other hand is guaranteed to be there at 10 but more then likely will have been gone by pick 41 and as of now they have no ammo to trade up, as players and next years picks are off limits in trades.
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Ehhh, I had to give up on Newton after hearing that he's pretty much a lock to be a top 5 pick. Locker on the other hand is guaranteed to be there at 10 but more then likely will have been gone by pick 41 and as of now they have no ammo to trade up, as players and next years picks are off limits in trades.
Not exactly true. You can trade future picks, but at your own risk. Suppose traded Rex Grossman for a 2012 7th rounder. Then a new CBA is agreed upon, and one of the new conditions is the draft is now just 6 rounds. We're out of luck. Or consider the 4th we have from Oakland next year in the Campbell trade. Suppose there's no draft next year. Screwed again
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Ehhh, I had to give up on Newton after hearing that he's pretty much a lock to be a top 5 pick. Locker on the other hand is guaranteed to be there at 10 but more then likely will have been gone by pick 41 and as of now they have no ammo to trade up, as players and next years picks are off limits in trades.
Why give away draft picks to trade up for Locker when you can get a better QB in Kaepernick at 41?

#10 - Defensive front or linebacker
#41 - Colin Kaepernick

BOOM! WINNING!!!
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Why give away draft picks to trade up for Locker when you can get a better QB in Kaepernick at 41?

#10 - Defensive front or linebacker
#41 - Colin Kaepernick

BOOM! WINNING!!!

#10 - Julio Jones
#41 - Locker - Kaepernick ")
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#10 - Julio Jones
#41 - Locker - Kaepernick ")
10 - Julio Jones - WR - Alabama
41 - Randall Cobb - WR - Kentucky
144 - Virgil Green - TE - Nevada
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10 - Julio Jones - WR - Alabama
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