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Old 11-21-2010, 12:16 PM   #76
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Does anyone know what the best draft websites are? I'm not asking for the websites that you guys agree with, no offense but I have no idea who is a good evaluator of talent on this site. I'm talking about the websites that have the highest percentage of evaluating talent. I feel like there should be statistics about this on the internet, but I couldnt find any.
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Old 11-21-2010, 08:08 PM   #77
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I've been a fan of the War Room at the sporting news' site. It's not free though, $4.99 p/m or $39.99 p/y and you also get a years subscription to the magazine. I'm not sure about any other sites.
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Old 11-29-2010, 06:07 AM   #78
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This team has been riding on Moss being our #1 for years...
He's a #2 at best.

Until we go after true talent at the WR position,we are going to suck ass for years.

This will be a great draft for WR's as well as a great year for WR's in Free Agency.
Hell...There are WR's being let out of prison we could nab..lol

If we do NOT upgrade this spot,we will not be a Playoff game.
You can talk about the O-line,D-line Linebackers,CB's..safeties..whatever?
All of which we need to get better..I agree.

I'm not saying we need superstars in all 5 WR spots,but we better get a TRUE #1.
Moss is NOT that..He's a #2 at best.
Probably would be a #3 on some teams...

That will NOT win championships.

This team needs an Andre Johnson
A DeWayne Bowe
A Calvin Johnson
and so on...

and that's not to win a championship
That's just so we can score some damn points and compete against these great teams and defenses.

Give us a #1 WR...then have a guy like Santana Moss and Armstrong as compliments to our #1 Wr and we might have a chance.

We have not scored 30 points one time this season.
It's been a continuous theme for quite a while.

It's not because of QB imo though...
As bad as I truly can't stand Jason Campbell and I almost loathe him....
He's not why we couldn't score 30 points very often if at all.

Guys like Matt Cassel
Matt Shaub
Stafford/Hill

These QB's are not great...

They have true #1 WR targets as well as WR's that compliment them.

This MUST be addressed,if we are to be any good from here on out.
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Re: 2011 NFL Draft

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This team has been riding on Moss being our #1 for years...
He's a #2 at best.

Until we go after true talent at the WR position,we are going to suck ass for years.

This will be a great draft for WR's as well as a great year for WR's in Free Agency.
Hell...There are WR's being let out of prison we could nab..lol

If we do NOT upgrade this spot,we will not be a Playoff game.
You can talk about the O-line,D-line Linebackers,CB's..safeties..whatever?
All of which we need to get better..I agree.

I'm not saying we need superstars in all 5 WR spots,but we better get a TRUE #1.
Moss is NOT that..He's a #2 at best.
Probably would be a #3 on some teams...

That will NOT win championships.

This team needs an Andre Johnson
A DeWayne Bowe
A Calvin Johnson
and so on...

and that's not to win a championship
That's just so we can score some damn points and compete against these great teams and defenses.

Give us a #1 WR...then have a guy like Santana Moss and Armstrong as compliments to our #1 Wr and we might have a chance.

We have not scored 30 points one time this season.
It's been a continuous theme for quite a while.

It's not because of QB imo though...
As bad as I truly can't stand Jason Campbell and I almost loathe him....
He's not why we couldn't score 30 points very often if at all.

Guys like Matt Cassel
Matt Shaub
Stafford/Hill

These QB's are not great...

They have true #1 WR targets as well as WR's that compliment them.

This MUST be addressed,if we are to be any good from here on out.
I agree that we need a true #1 but the far greater need is a better offensive line, wasting a pick on a #1 and then having to wait to develop him won't do any good without a solid offensive line -- with more time to throw, DMac can find other targets and our RBs will have holes to run through.
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Old 11-29-2010, 07:49 AM   #80
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Re: 2011 NFL Draft

Priorities
QB of future
DL
WR
OL

in that order...OL is only lower on the list because I know Shanny wont draft interior linemen high.
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:25 PM   #81
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At 4-5 we're out of it eh?

Yea, we will probably lose both Giants game, and a game against the Buc's or more likely the Jags. 2-3 for the last five games, losing to the Vikings after beating the Packers and Bears......... our team is too up and down.
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RT, C, RG.....i don't care...use the 1st two picks on OL!!!....we complain EVERY WEEK about the OL.....drafting anything but these positions is dumb IMO...and it is only MO. We have been drafting the ''best player available'' fo 10 yrs (except last yr)!!!! Eagles and giants go after the big uglies 1st....THEN skill players. That's why we get our butts kicked in the trenches six times a year. I lived in philly for 6 yrs...and no one pays attention to their drafts...why?? B/c there boring....by picking OL/DL all the time. Which is why they contend for nfc east champs every year...enough said for me...OL all the way....FA the skill until the lines are youthful with depth
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RT, C, RG.....i don't care...use the 1st two picks on OL!!!....we complain EVERY WEEK about the OL.....drafting anything but these positions is dumb IMO...and it is only MO. We have been drafting the ''best player available'' fo 10 yrs (except last yr)!!!! Eagles and giants go after the big uglies 1st....THEN skill players. That's why we get our butts kicked in the trenches six times a year. I lived in philly for 6 yrs...and no one pays attention to their drafts...why?? B/c there boring....by picking OL/DL all the time. Which is why they contend for nfc east champs every year...enough said for me...OL all the way....FA the skill until the lines are youthful with depth
I don't believe you need to draft an OL high just to say you did if he's not worth drafting high. In the past 10 years the Eagles have taken an OL in any of the first 3 rounds only twice, the Giants three times, and the Skins three times
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:37 AM   #84
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Priorities
QB of future
DL
WR
OL

in that order...OL is only lower on the list because I know Shanny wont draft interior linemen high.
So K Williams and the injury prone Torain are the future at RB? Shanny offense is dependent on running the ball. And the 3-4 key position along the front 7 is NT. So my priorities in order:

1.NT
2.RB
3.WR
4.Interior Olineman
5.DE

Other areas: possible upgrade at Free Safety, possibility of replacing Carlos if he leaves which would be a huge setback, and drafting a replacement when McNabb leaves
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So K Williams and the injury prone Torain are the future at RB? Shanny offense is dependent on running the ball. And the 3-4 key position along the front 7 is NT. So my priorities in order:

1.NT
2.RB
3.WR
4.Interior Olineman
5.DE

Other areas: possible upgrade at Free Safety, possibility of replacing Carlos if he leaves which would be a huge setback, and drafting a replacement when McNabb leaves
As of right now there isn't a single Noseguard to be had before round 4 or 5 so I wouldn't really expect the draft to be a reliable source of prospects for the 3-4's most critical position. Then again the upcoming draft might give the Skins to take a guy like Mississippi's Jerrell Powe or Hamptons Kendrick Ellis in the later rounds.

Of course if history is any indication the best NT's usually come from the first two rounds (Kevin Williams, Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfolk, Haloti Ngata, and BJ Raji were all top half first rounders. Shaun Rogers, Jamal Williams, Terrance Cody, and Kris Jenkins were second rounders. Only Kelly Gregg, Jay Ratliff, and Aubrayo Franklin were second day picks).
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As of right now there isn't a single Noseguard to be had before round 4 or 5 so I wouldn't really expect the draft to be a reliable source of prospects for the 3-4's most critical position. Then again the upcoming draft might give the Skins to take a guy like Mississippi's Jerrell Powe or Hamptons Kendrick Ellis in the later rounds.

Of course if history is any indication the best NT's usually come from the first two rounds (Kevin Williams, Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfolk, Haloti Ngata, and BJ Raji were all top half first rounders. Shaun Rogers, Jamal Williams, Terrance Cody, and Kris Jenkins were second rounders. Only Kelly Gregg, Jay Ratliff, and Aubrayo Franklin were second day picks).
Yeah the list was general to the needs of the skins, whether its free agency or draft we need to do something at that position. Very glad you brought up Kendrick Ellis, thats the guy if we had to draft someone i would take. If he ended up being taken in the 3rd round by someone it would be no surprise.
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Old 11-30-2010, 09:37 AM   #87
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I just don't see us drafting an offensive linemen in the first round this year. I think we are solid at Tackles, obviously they need some improvement but I think they both have solid talent. Also lets remember that Shanahan does not often spend a high draft pick on offensive linemen. For fun here is a list of his drafts at Denver by year. I only included the name of the first rounders after that just their positions:

96-1st John Mobley LB, DB, RB, DL
97-1st Trevor Pryce DT, No other picks
98-1st Marcus Nash WR, DB, QB, RB
99-1st Al Wilson LB, DB, WR, RB
00-1st Delta Oneal CB, LB, DB, WR
01-1st Willie Middlebrooks CB, DL, DL ,OL
02-1st Ashley Lelie WR, RB, DL, DB
03-1st George Foster OL, LB, RB, DL
04-1st DJ Williams LB, RB, WR, DB
05-1st Darrent Williams DB, DB, DB, RB
06-1st Jay Cutler QB, TE, WR, LB
07-1st Jarvis Moss DE, DL, OL, DL

Ok so through the first 4 rounds of 12 drafts Shanahan has drafted exactly 2 offensive linemen and spent a first round pick on them only once. It has been stated many times that Shanahan prefers to draft his OL and RBs in the later rounds. Unless I am missing someone in College I cant think of a Free Safety worthy of a frist round pick. So I would guess, based on need and Shanahan's past tendencies that we go after a DL or WR in the first.

Of course this is assuming he will have a lot of input into who we draft. I am hoping he and Bruce Allen will work well together.
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I just don't see us drafting an offensive linemen in the first round this year. I think we are solid at Tackles, obviously they need some improvement but I think they both have solid talent. Also lets remember that Shanahan does not often spend a high draft pick on offensive linemen. For fun here is a list of his drafts at Denver by year. I only included the name of the first rounders after that just their positions:

96-1st John Mobley LB, DB, RB, DL
97-1st Trevor Pryce DT, No other picks
98-1st Marcus Nash WR, DB, QB, RB
99-1st Al Wilson LB, DB, WR, RB
00-1st Delta Oneal CB, LB, DB, WR
01-1st Willie Middlebrooks CB, DL, DL ,OL
02-1st Ashley Lelie WR, RB, DL, DB
03-1st George Foster OL, LB, RB, DL
04-1st DJ Williams LB, RB, WR, DB
05-1st Darrent Williams DB, DB, DB, RB
06-1st Jay Cutler QB, TE, WR, LB
07-1st Jarvis Moss DE, DL, OL, DL

Ok so through the first 4 rounds of 12 drafts Shanahan has drafted exactly 2 offensive linemen and spent a first round pick on them only once. It has been stated many times that Shanahan prefers to draft his OL and RBs in the later rounds. Unless I am missing someone in College I cant think of a Free Safety worthy of a frist round pick. So I would guess, based on need and Shanahan's past tendencies that we go after a DL or WR in the first.

Of course this is assuming he will have a lot of input into who we draft. I am hoping he and Bruce Allen will work well together.
Your forgetting about his 08 draft with Ryan Clady and our boy Lichtensteiger.

Plus your stats are WAYYY off of O-linemen taken under Shanny
1st rounders-Ryan Clady, George Foster
2nd-Lennie Friedman
3rd-Ryan Harris, Dan Neil
4th-Cooper Carlisle, Ben Hamilton, and our Very own Kory Lichtensteiger

I agree with you that we will for sure not draft an O-lineman this year though. We just got williams last year and traded for brown, who I'm sure we will keep around in hopes that his poor year this year was a result of coming off of surgery and getting used to the right side.

If Jake Locker drops (which I find to be unlikely considering the Cardinals, 49ers, Vikings are dying for a QB...plus the Panthers, Bengals, Bills, Browns all have a strong possibility of taking one), I would expect us to take him. His athleticism, arm, and the fact that he is coming from a losing program are all reminiscent of Jay Cutler, who Shanahan had a very good relationship with.

More realistically though, I think that we are going to get a D-lineman with our first pick considering that none of our starters are starting material (Haynesworth does not start...or even play that much).

The only other two positions I could see us taking with our 1st are WR and RB. I know Shanny is notorious for taking late round RB's, but I remember him saying that if Jay Cutler had not been there in 06, he would have take Maroney, which tells us he is willing to take a RB in the 1st. Our offense needs a jump start. RBs and WRs are known to be taken to get that spark. I think Mark Ingram is the most likely scenario for an offensive skill player player being picked. I predict us going either 6-10 or 7-9. This year I think that will put us in the 10-14 range. That seems too late for AJ Green and too early for any other WR.

If only somehow we could lose the rest of our games this year we would be better off. Yea it would hurt this year, but a 5-11 record will score us a nice offensive weapon (QB or AJ Green) that we could use for the next 12 years.

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Your forgetting about his 08 draft with Ryan Clady and our boy Lichtensteiger.

Plus your stats are WAYYY off of O-linemen taken under Shanny
1st rounders-Ryan Clady, George Foster
2nd-Lennie Friedman
3rd-Ryan Harris, Dan Neil
4th-Cooper Carlisle, Ben Hamilton, and our Very own Kory Lichtensteiger
Damn it, didnt include 08 because I am an idiot and forgot that he presided over that draft. Also with Carlisle instead of doing what I said and posting the first 4 rounds I posted the first 4 picks not rounds. I was working off of NFL Draft Tracker Denver Broncos, 1995 to 2010 - FF Today

My fault I should have used more than one source!!!
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Of these QB's (some possibly coming out next year) who has a better chance to land with the Redskins:

Andrew Luck
Ryan Mallett
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
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