Anyone like Blaine Gabbert, he just declared for the draft

IrMitchell · 01-04-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Luck looks more like Ryan to me than Elway. Elway was about as heralded as could be...Luck is maybe one small notch below. Luck reminds me of Freeman a little too with his size and mobility. They are a similar package.

Andrew Luck is three times the collegiate player Matt Ryan was. Josh Freeman is a big body guy who can just truck (prime McNabb), don't get me wrong he's a warrior.. but he's got absolutely nothing on Andrew Luck.

Luck and Elway may not play the same, but their talent as a quarterback coming out of Stanford isn't far off.

It excites me way too much to imagine Mike Shanahan with a young Andrew Luck ready to learn and take in everything he can from the guy who lead his idol to two super bowls. It really is too good to be true isn't it?

mooby · 01-04-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Luck and Elway is a bad comparison..

It may seem to easy to say Tom Brady is a better one, but really he is. Tom Brady is on top of everybody in the NFL right now, Andrew Luck is the equivalent in college. He handles the pocket flawlessly! His mobility when nobody is open is perfect, his play action roll out perfect, his deep ball perfect, his football IQ brilliant.. You just can't say anything negative about this guy other than his one performance that he looked human against Oregon (a la Brady vs. the Browns).

Andrew Luck will not be taken 1st overall because of a team desperate to sell some tickets and wants to take the best quarterback regardless of if he's a top 5 talent (Sanchez, I would argue Stafford). Andrew Luck will be taken because if he's anything short of a 5 time pro-bowler I think 70% of scouts would be shocked.

I don't agree with you in regards to your Matthew Stafford comparison. When he came out even though he wasn't regarded as the can't miss prospect of the next decade, he was widely regarded as the best quarterback in the draft and a no doubt top 5 pick. Nobody saw his injury issues coming, he didn't have much of an injury history coming out of college, what's happened to him in the NFL has just been unfortunate. I still think when healthy he can be a great quarterback in the NFL.

Redskin Jim · 01-04-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

So i was thinking about something. Would you rather have a QB that seems like he has all the skill in the world, but maybe be lacking a little bit mentally or maturity wise. Or would you rather have a QB that is really smart and works extremely hard, but lacks when it comes to some of the physical demands desired of a NFL QB.

QB's coming out of college that seemed to have all the physical tools but lacked some of the mental stuff in my mind are Brett Farve (worked out), McNabb (worked out), Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf (didnt work out), Ben Roethlisberger (worked out).

QB's with the mental edge but lacking some physical characteristics would be Brady (more of a anomaly then anything), Chad Pennington (worked out in my mind), Drew Brees.

Obviously there are QBs that are deemed to have all the mental and physical tools coming out of college (Payton Manning, Matt Ryan) but they usually go number 1.

Then there are guys that grow up for whatever reason, Mike Vick being the prime example in my eyes. He was once lazy/immature, now he works hard and puts the mental and physical together.

So who would you rather take if you don’t have the option to pick a guy with all the physical and mental tools to get the job done? Im not completely sure but I would lean towards the hard worker/smart guy over a guy that has everything physical, especially if you want him to start for you within a year or 2.

We have in the past gone this way with Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, Jeff George, Heath Shuler, Gus Forotte. This way does not work out in my mind, especially for the Redskins.
I want a Brady, Montana, Brees type of QB. I.E. uber smart with a burning desire to win, and smart enough to figure out how to. The will power and work ethic elevates this type of QB's game to Top notch even though he is of inferior athletic ability or physical stature.

mlmpetert · 01-04-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

We have in the past gone this way with Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey, Jeff George, Heath Shuler, Gus Forotte. This way does not work out in my mind, especially for the Redskins.
I want a Brady, Montana, Brees type of QB. I.E. uber smart with a burning desire to win, and smart enough to figure out how to. The will power and work ethic elevates this type of QB's game to Top notch even though he is of inferior athletic ability or physical stature.

Yeah i like hard wokers / smart football players a lot more then gifted athletes, espicially when it comes to the QB position. I just thought of Brian Brohm who is super smart, hard worker but cant get anything done. It might be a little early to write him off though.

Lotus · 01-04-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

He's gonna come out. He's got a $50M guaranteed lottery ticket in his back pocket and Harbaugh is leaving.

Fail to Rece Davis for asking Harbaugh and Luck on the damn Rose Bowl podium about their futures with the program. Come on dude. Give the guys and their team a few minutes to enjoy the win. What a douche.

Complete agreement. Davis was a classless story-whore.

SirClintonPortis · 01-04-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Yeah i like hard wokers / smart football players a lot more then gifted athletes, espicially when it comes to the QB position. I just thought of Brian Brohm who is super smart, hard worker but cant get anything done. It might be a little early to write him off though.

Brohm maybe smart, but he may not be "football smart". Matt Flynn had to work hard too, and he's miles above Brohm.

mlmpetert · 01-04-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Luck and Elway is a bad comparison..

It may seem to easy to say Tom Brady is a better one, but really he is. Tom Brady is on top of everybody in the NFL right now, Andrew Luck is the equivalent in college. He handles the pocket flawlessly! His mobility when nobody is open is perfect, his play action roll out perfect, his deep ball perfect, his football IQ brilliant.. You just can't say anything negative about this guy other than his one performance that he looked human against Oregon (a la Brady vs. the Browns).

Andrew Luck will not be taken 1st overall because of a team desperate to sell some tickets and wants to take the best quarterback regardless of if he's a top 5 talent (Sanchez, I would argue Stafford). Andrew Luck will be taken because if he's anything short of a 5 time pro-bowler I think 70% of scouts would be shocked.

Honestly i dont really know that much about Luck besides he's the most heralded QB this year, but i completely agree with you on Sanchez. I think it was a smart move for him to come out early because i think he was way over rated. Also its been a really long time that ive seen a youngr QB sell out in the way Sanchez has. Hes pretty much taken every and any endorsement thrown at him in the last 2 years. In my eyes that type of mentality is a red flag. Kind of like Devin Thomas, trying to be famous first, pro football player second.

IrMitchell · 01-04-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

I don't agree with you in regards to your Matthew Stafford comparison. When he came out even though he wasn't regarded as the can't miss prospect of the next decade, he was widely regarded as the best quarterback in the draft and a no doubt top 5 pick. Nobody saw his injury issues coming, he didn't have much of an injury history coming out of college, what's happened to him in the NFL has just been unfortunate. I still think when healthy he can be a great quarterback in the NFL.

I'm not putting anything NFL related into this. I can remember to this day when he played Florida in his final year and I knew after that game he wasn't a #1 overall guy. He was the reason they lost the game with his terrible accuracy. I'll give him his arm, but I will take credit for being very adamant in different forums/etc that Matthew Stafford will not be the savior the Lions are looking for. He had AJ Green, Knowshon Moreno and Mohamed Massaquoi. Give me three better weapons for a #1 overall QB in recent history.

Don't get me wrong though, he's a first round quarterback in any draft, but he can thank his huge arm, size and pro style offense in college for being taken #1. (Three huge positives, but as we continue to see just not enough)

Sam Bradford and Andrew Luck are on a different level compared to Stafford and it will become more conclusive as more seasons come by.

*I'm sure you can also remember how many doubters there were at the time with this pick.. This isn't only me.

Aaron Curry, Michael Crabtree, Brian Orakpo, Eugene Monroe, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Tyson Jackson, Ray Maualuga had been just as important to their respective teams that year and why I said that I would argue Stafford was taken in hope of saving a franchise (obviously this is done whenever you pick first overall) and getting lucky, rather than being a clear cut #1 guy.

IrMitchell · 01-04-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Honestly i dont really know that much about Luck besides he's the most heralded QB this year, but i completely agree with you on Sanchez. I think it was a smart move for him to come out early because i think he was way over rated. Also its been a really long time that ive seen a youngr QB sell out in the way Sanchez has. Hes pretty much taken every and any endorsement thrown at him in the last 2 years. In my eyes that type of mentality is a red flag. Kind of like Devin Thomas, trying to be famous first, pro football player second.

It came down to intangibles with Sanchez. Had everything you want in the locker room, worked hard, great leader, but it was always obvious he didn't have that breathtaking throw or control of his offense.

I would agree though, he certainly loves his endorsements.. but as a Canadian he's got absolutely nothing on Sidney Crosby. I can't buy bread without this guys face being plastered all over it.

Terpfan76 · 01-05-2011, 09:44 AM

As far as Matthew Stafford goes, I think he gets an incomplete grade right now. He looked much improved this year up until he got hurt... again. There in lies the issue. Can they keep him healthy? He'll only be 23 next season, so he has time to work on strengthening his shoulders and rehabbing. Not only that, but Detroit actually seems to getting it right by drafting good players. I wish we could be like the Lions... that's soooo sad.

Big C · 01-05-2011, 10:07 AM

i think he is very overrated. could be an ok qb in the pros, i just dont get why espn is on his jock. 16 tds 9 interceptions in a heavy passing offense. stats dropped big time from last year. he lost his main receiver from last year. he doesnt face a lot of pressure and runs a pure spread offense. he can run a little bit. just a gut feeling from me that he wont pan out

Blaine Gabbert Stats, Splits, News, Photos - Missouri Tigers - NCAA College Football - ESPN

mooby · 01-05-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

I'm not putting anything NFL related into this. I can remember to this day when he played Florida in his final year and I knew after that game he wasn't a #1 overall guy. He was the reason they lost the game with his terrible accuracy. I'll give him his arm, but I will take credit for being very adamant in different forums/etc that Matthew Stafford will not be the savior the Lions are looking for. He had AJ Green, Knowshon Moreno and Mohamed Massaquoi. Give me three better weapons for a #1 overall QB in recent history.

Don't get me wrong though, he's a first round quarterback in any draft, but he can thank his huge arm, size and pro style offense in college for being taken #1. (Three huge positives, but as we continue to see just not enough)

Sam Bradford and Andrew Luck are on a different level compared to Stafford and it will become more conclusive as more seasons come by.

*I'm sure you can also remember how many doubters there were at the time with this pick.. This isn't only me.

Aaron Curry, Michael Crabtree, Brian Orakpo, Eugene Monroe, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Tyson Jackson, Ray Maualuga had been just as important to their respective teams that year and why I said that I would argue Stafford was taken in hope of saving a franchise (obviously this is done whenever you pick first overall) and getting lucky, rather than being a clear cut #1 guy.

I won't debate whether or not he was worth the #1 overall selection, I didn't watch him play much in college and my knowledge of him is limited to his college highlights and what he did at the combine. But look at the way he's played when healthy since joining the Lions, he's flashed enough potential to show why they took him #1, he's got a decent supporting cast around him, and pretty much the only thing holding him back is his inability to stay healthy. If he stays healthy next year and beyond that I think he'll show enough to be worthy of being called the Lions' franchise quarterback.

skinsfaninok · 01-05-2011, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Big C

i think he is very overrated. could be an ok qb in the pros, i just dont get why espn is on his jock. 16 tds 9 interceptions in a heavy passing offense. stats dropped big time from last year. he lost his main receiver from last year. he doesnt face a lot of pressure and runs a pure spread offense. he can run a little bit. just a gut feeling from me that he wont pan out

Blaine Gabbert Stats, Splits, News, Photos - Missouri Tigers - NCAA College Football - ESPN

Agree good post, I would be VERY DISAPPOINTED if we drafted him in the 1st round.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-14-2011, 12:47 AM

If Gabbert goes to a team in Round 1, there will be lots of pressure to play him right away - - and I really think he needs at least a year or two on the sidelines and on the practice field to be ready to play at the NFL level.

For those who lust for Luck to be a Redskin, the path to that end is clear and simple. The Skins need to go 1-15 next year and secure the #1 overall pick in the 2012 draft. Best way to do that might be to sign JaMarcus Russell...

Dirtbag59 · 01-14-2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

If Gabbert goes to a team in Round 1, there will be lots of pressure to play him right away - - and I really think he needs at least a year or two on the sidelines and on the practice field to be ready to play at the NFL level.

For those who lust for Luck to be a Redskin, the path to that end is clear and simple. The Skins need to go 1-15 next year and secure the #1 overall pick in the 2012 draft. Best way to do that might be to sign JaMarcus Russell...

Are we past the point yet where people think we still have a shot at Luck, because if not we are a sad excuse for a fan base.

01-05-2011, 09:44 AM	#55
Terpfan76 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cumberland, Md Posts: 236	Re: Anyone like Blaine Gabbert, he just declared for the draft As far as Matthew Stafford goes, I think he gets an incomplete grade right now. He looked much improved this year up until he got hurt... again. There in lies the issue. Can they keep him healthy? He'll only be 23 next season, so he has time to work on strengthening his shoulders and rehabbing. Not only that, but Detroit actually seems to getting it right by drafting good players. I wish we could be like the Lions... that's soooo sad.

01-05-2011, 10:07 AM	#56
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax, Virginia Age: 26 Posts: 4,423	Re: Anyone like Blaine Gabbert, he just declared for the draft i think he is very overrated. could be an ok qb in the pros, i just dont get why espn is on his jock. 16 tds 9 interceptions in a heavy passing offense. stats dropped big time from last year. he lost his main receiver from last year. he doesnt face a lot of pressure and runs a pure spread offense. he can run a little bit. just a gut feeling from me that he wont pan out Blaine Gabbert Stats, Splits, News, Photos - Missouri Tigers - NCAA College Football - ESPN __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

01-14-2011, 12:47 AM	#59
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Anyone like Blaine Gabbert, he just declared for the draft If Gabbert goes to a team in Round 1, there will be lots of pressure to play him right away - - and I really think he needs at least a year or two on the sidelines and on the practice field to be ready to play at the NFL level. For those who lust for Luck to be a Redskin, the path to that end is clear and simple. The Skins need to go 1-15 next year and secure the #1 overall pick in the 2012 draft. Best way to do that might be to sign JaMarcus Russell... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

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