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Old 02-23-2011, 03:32 PM   #196
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No way.

He's not even 1st-round quality. I'm not denying he won't go in the 1st-round...but he shouldn't.
They said the same about AROD and Freeman also.. Locker will be a star just wait
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Old 02-23-2011, 03:36 PM   #197
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Isn't that to be determined though? The current cba will have expired & there may be a rookie wage scale a la the NBA.
Thats what I thought. Then again it might not be as pretty as the NBA's rookie wage scale. Different positions might require different contracts. Still it shouldn't be nearly as bad as it was before with the JaMarcus Russell type contracts.
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They said the same about AROD and Freeman also.. Locker will be a star just wait
You kidding? A-Rod was AL MVP early in his career.
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You kidding? A-Rod was AL MVP early in his career.

LOL OK the "NEW" A-Rod
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I will be very happy if we draft Locker.

He is a risk worth taking.

Really happy if we can trade back and get him.

Kid has all the intangibles of a franchise QB, if it wasn't for his horrible cast around him he would be a top 5 pick. Heck he was a top 5 projected last year. Give him a year on the bench and we would be good to go
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NFL.com Blogs Ľ Blog Archive Kelly: Bills should pass on Newton ę
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I will be very happy if we draft Locker.

He is a risk worth taking.

Really happy if we can trade back and get him.
The two main factors in QB success at the pro level are grasping the mental aspects such as preparation/reading defenses and accuracy. Locker has the first part but that accuracy part just reminds me way to much of McNabb. Maybe it's just that his mechanics are off and he'll be more willing to work on them then McNabb was but it just seems like another guy that won't be able to hit receivers even when he has time.

It's getting to the point where Mallet and Ponder are the only two rookie QB's that I have any interest in seeing us draft. Maybe Gabbert but he seems to pedestrian (read: average). Some like Dalton but I think we already have a guy like Dalton on our roster with Beck. Sure Becks pushing 30, but I would much rather use the pick we would use on Dalton for someone that can play in the trenches and experiment with Beck if it came down to that.

Also I'd like to take this time to remind everyone that I was told time and time again that this was going to be an amazing QB class and that last years group was terrible. So much for projections.

Here's a quick rundown of how I currently view the top QB's in this class:

Gabbert - Spread QB that couldn't come close to the numbers put up by UDFA Chase Daniels. Seems to have all the physical tools and a good head on his shoulders so he seems like he could succeed in the right situation. Still lack of big numbers in a spread system is a concern for me.

+ Physical tools, Football IQ, Coachable
- Spread QB, Lack of huge numbers in Spread System, Junior QB


Newton - Was willing to overlook the Spread QB label until the "icon and entertainer" line. Seems his motivation for money (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) heavily outweighs his love of the game. He has all the physical tools but I don't trust him to prepare nearly as much as he should once he gets paid. Plus he doesn't have the ideal background when you're look for a QB in the draft, which again I was willing to overlook until his recent declaration. The main thing teams need to find out is if he's Big Ben or Vince Young.

+ Amazing Physical Tools, History of success despite numerous off field distractions, Said to be coachable
- Maturity, Spread QB, Might be more concerned with Payday and Celebrity status then he is with being a Franchise QB, Junior QB

Mallet - Criticism of him seems to be unclear, weather , his main problem is leadership or intelligence. Scouts seem to be all over the map on these two factors. I personally see a Matt Schuab clone where his only real weakness is a lack of mobility. Was able to improve his accuracy enough where he should seriously be considered. My main concern is he came out a year early which seems to work against QB's at the next level.

+ Size, Arm Strength, Experience in Pro System, Firery Personallity, Improved Accuracy
- Junior QB, Petrino QB, Wasn't accurate until this past year.

Locker

+ Mobility, Arm Strength, Pro System Experience with lots of play action and bootlegs, leadership, Smart, Senior QB
- Accuracy (never over 60% on the year), Injury concerns due to playing style, Recent Regression

Ponder

+Great Intangibles (graduated in something around 2.5 years. Also considered a great leader), Pro Style System, Very Accurate when healthy still 60%+ when not, Mobile, Senior QB
- Health Problems, Arm Strength only good enough, Lack of success at the collegiate level.
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Re: ESPN Say's Newton To Enter Draft

Drug rumors surrounding Ryan Mallett | National Football Post

Starting to see concerns with Mallet

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Character and drug use issues are starting to rear their ugly head. Heavy rumors of drug use and possible addiction kept him from coming out for the 2010 draft. A lot of people are comparing Mallett to Ryan Leaf. I think Ryan was a better football player, with a cannon for an arm but the immaturity was just too much to overcome. A hair facial test might tell all 32 teams who this person really is."
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"Literally the next play on a seven-yard hitch, he made a throw where three Georgia players touched it. An under guy, a linebacker coming under, and a corner from behind. It was one of the worst decisions in throws I've seen on back to back throws. That is the problem with this kid. Every time I get excited he does something from a decision making or an accuracy perspective that bothers me. The common denominator is when he goes bad it's because of pressure in the pocket. When he can't step up, when he can't see, when he doesn't have clear vision, I believe his production goes way down. Having said all of those things, I would be very concerned about taking him in the first round."
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Old 02-23-2011, 07:24 PM   #204
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Yeah Dirtbag, there have been many many stories about Mallet and his off-field activities. Not worth taking the chance in my opinion
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The two main factors in QB success at the pro level are grasping the mental aspects such as preparation/reading defenses and accuracy. Locker has the first part but that accuracy part just reminds me way to much of McNabb. Maybe it's just that his mechanics are off and he'll be more willing to work on them then McNabb was but it just seems like another guy that won't be able to hit receivers even when he has time.

It's getting to the point where Mallet and Ponder are the only two rookie QB's that I have any interest in seeing us draft. Maybe Gabbert but he seems to pedestrian (read: average). Some like Dalton but I think we already have a guy like Dalton on our roster with Beck. Sure Becks pushing 30, but I would much rather use the pick we would use on Dalton for someone that can play in the trenches and experiment with Beck if it came down to that.

Also I'd like to take this time to remind everyone that I was told time and time again that this was going to be an amazing QB class and that last years group was terrible. So much for projections.

Here's a quick rundown of how I currently view the top QB's in this class:

Gabbert - Spread QB that couldn't come close to the numbers put up by UDFA Chase Daniels. Seems to have all the physical tools and a good head on his shoulders so he seems like he could succeed in the right situation. Still lack of big numbers in a spread system is a concern for me.

+ Physical tools, Football IQ, Coachable
- Spread QB, Lack of huge numbers in Spread System, Junior QB


Newton - Was willing to overlook the Spread QB label until the "icon and entertainer" line. Seems his motivation for money (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) heavily outweighs his love of the game. He has all the physical tools but I don't trust him to prepare nearly as much as he should once he gets paid. Plus he doesn't have the ideal background when you're look for a QB in the draft, which again I was willing to overlook until his recent declaration. The main thing teams need to find out is if he's Big Ben or Vince Young.

+ Amazing Physical Tools, History of success despite numerous off field distractions, Said to be coachable
- Maturity, Spread QB, Might be more concerned with Payday and Celebrity status then he is with being a Franchise QB, Junior QB

Mallet - Criticism of him seems to be unclear, weather , his main problem is leadership or intelligence. Scouts seem to be all over the map on these two factors. I personally see a Matt Schuab clone where his only real weakness is a lack of mobility. Was able to improve his accuracy enough where he should seriously be considered. My main concern is he came out a year early which seems to work against QB's at the next level.

+ Size, Arm Strength, Experience in Pro System, Firery Personallity, Improved Accuracy
- Junior QB, Petrino QB, Wasn't accurate until this past year.

Locker

+ Mobility, Arm Strength, Pro System Experience with lots of play action and bootlegs, leadership, Smart, Senior QB
- Accuracy (never over 60% on the year), Injury concerns due to playing style, Recent Regression

Ponder

+Great Intangibles (graduated in something around 2.5 years. Also considered a great leader), Pro Style System, Very Accurate when healthy still 60%+ when not, Mobile, Senior QB
- Health Problems, Arm Strength only good enough, Lack of success at the collegiate level.


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Old 02-23-2011, 09:12 PM   #206
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Good breakdown Dirtbag, but I dont see anything there Im falling in love with at the 10th pick...still. I dont get with all our needs reaching for any of these guys at 10. With the second round pick, sure. No way at 10. Either move down in the first and grab one of these or wait til the second.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:37 PM   #207
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I'm looking for........Cam Tebow...
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Who cares if Cam wants to be a cultural Icon. Judge a man by his actions, not the puffs of air that escapes his orifice. I remember Deion Sanders use to say much worse coming out of college, and look how that turned out. I really hope that effects his draft status, I was looking forward to any and all negative stories about him in hopes that he falls to # 10.
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Who cares if Cam wants to be a cultural Icon. Judge a man by his actions, not the puffs of air that escapes his orifice. I remember Deion Sanders use to say much worse coming out of college, and look how that turned out. I really hope that effects his draft status, I was looking forward to any and all negative stories about him in hopes that he falls to # 10.
The Quarterback position is a completely different animal. Deion was just a corner, and while you can't just get by on raw athletic ability playing Corner or other positions, it still pales in comparison to the physical and mental requirements expected of a Quarterback. QB's at the very least need to have an idea of what all 22 players are doing. Protections, routes, defensive line stunts, linebacker blitzes and coverages, secondary protection schemes, audibles, even the damn play clock is the QB's responsibility. Corners need to know run or pass, "do I have safety help", and how do I cover my man/zone.

In conclusion if Newton isn't 100% committed to playing football, and more interested in being a celebrity with a nice pay check then he could easily become a bust. He already put his college career at risk asking for 6 figures from boosters. That is why the comment has become a huge red flag as it reveals possible ulterior motives.

His raw physical talent is going to take him only so far. If he doesn't learn how to read and beat coverages at the next level he'll be toast. Defenders won't be scared to chase him down when they realize that letting him throw isn't much of a risk.

Maybe myself and everyone else are making a big deal out of nothing and the comment is nothing but it still makes me worry. Most Rookie QB's are talking about learning NFL defenses and adjusting to the speed of the game. Newton on the other hand is talking about it took him one year to dominate the collegiate game.
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On a slightly different subject, I have new peanut gallery notes on Locker and Gabbert.

In watching Locker recently there were a few more specific things that bothered me. For starters he looks to run an awful lot when things break down. Ideally you'd want a guy that would use that mobility to reposition himself and find someone downfield while picking up a first down or two with their feet. But very rarely am I seeing Locker look down the field for other options. In fact he rarely seems to look down field to begin with opting for mostly short passes (all the more reason to be worried over his subpar completion percentage). Had trouble noticing if he was looking for separate options on the other side of the field

Gabbert on the other hand surprised me. On the field he was the exact opposite of my concerns with Locker. While not as mobile Gabbert is certainly capable of moving about. And not only does he move around but when he can he takes a moment to reposition his feet. He's also not afraid to take shots downfield and is confident in his arm. Most impressive part of his game might have been his ability to look off coverage and find second and third options.

The Performance itself is not all to impressive. However while watching Gabbert it's easy to catch the little things he's incorporated into his game. Remember to look for readjusting after scrambles, willingness to take shots downfield, and the ability to look off defenders. Still can't get over the fact that his numbers, while respectable, are no where near Chase Daniel.


Locker on the other hand reminds me of a kid playing with a Mobile QB on all Madden. All to frequently he seems to zone in one guy and rarely looks downfield opting for throwing short to mid range passes when he's not scrambling for yards. Maybe his supporting cast was just that bad but Steve Sarkisian is a respected offensive mind so it's not like he was in some po dunk SEC 3 yards and a cloud of dust Wing T system.
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