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Old 02-27-2011, 08:24 AM   #271
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lolololol. good point.

No excuses for such bad accuracy from Locker. Alot of those bad throws in the NFL are gonna be picked off. I think what you have to remember is, with college QBs, you have to squeeze throws in between defenders or on tight coverage occasionally in a game. In the NFL, you do that on every drive as a QB. I dont see how people expect Locker to suddenly just become 60-65% passer when he makes this NFL jump. I dont see it happening.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:43 AM   #272
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LoL, here we go again.
So you have Locker's issues clearly figured to a certainity?
'Lacks basic pocket competency'
And now its a 'fact' that he 'can't' complete a number of passes that you deem 'acceptable'

If you exclude Locker's freshmen and his sophmore (injured week 3 missed rest of season team went 0-12) under Willingham his comp% is 56.8%.
Which would put him just a hair ahead of:
Matt Stafford: 56.6%
it puts him a hair behind
Josh Freeman: 57.9%
and not that far off from
Matt Ryan: 59.3%
Jay Cutler: 60%

In fact Locker has a lot in common w/ those QBs guess who:

Guess who scouting report this is:
Just to venture a guess, let me go: Flacco, Cutler, and Rodgers at the bottom.

56.8% is a poor completion percentage at the college level, but once you remove the excuse of using a players formative years in college to deflate completion percentage, it is absolutely atrocious.

I could see, perhaps, the Stafford comparison in terms of accuracy, but Stafford hasn't exactly lit it up in the pros, justifying the use of a high pick on someone similar like Locker.
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Old 02-27-2011, 10:50 AM   #273
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lolololol. good point.

No excuses for such bad accuracy from Locker. Alot of those bad throws in the NFL are gonna be picked off. I think what you have to remember is, with college QBs, you have to squeeze throws in between defenders or on tight coverage occasionally in a game. In the NFL, you do that on every drive as a QB. I dont see how people expect Locker to suddenly just become 60-65% passer when he makes this NFL jump. I dont see it happening.
I think it's a exercise in delusion. I wish someone would go and make the argument in favor of low completion percentage players who made it big in the pros, rather than trying to act like Locker is not the player everyone thinks he is.

Derek Anderson (drafted in 2005) completed only 50.7% of his college passes. Is he good? No. Was he good? Never. But he at least went to a pro bowl. And Locker for sure will be better than Derek Anderson.
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:50 AM   #274
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justifying the use of a high pick on someone similar like Locker.
When did I say Locker was a high pick?
I like looking at QBs from an evaluation perspective.
I try not get involved in the prediction business b/c there are far too many factors external to the QB themselves that will determine their success.
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I think what you have to remember is, with college QBs, you have to squeeze throws in between defenders or on tight coverage occasionally in a game.
You'll probably discount my opinion simply because I disagree, but in the Washington games I watched the WRs hardly got any separation compared to the Auburn and Mizzou games I watched.
I think Locker has a lot of experience making throws into tight windows.

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I dont see how people expect Locker to suddenly just become 60-65% passer when he makes this NFL jump. I dont see it happening.
Just because you don't see it happening doesn't mean it can't happen.
I don't really get the fascination with the whole prediction/forecasting thing.
When you look at Locker as a QB prospect I think he stacks up as one of the top prospects.
Could he fail? Sure but so could any prospect even prospects w/ 65% or higher comp%.

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Just to venture a guess, let me go: Flacco, Cutler, and Rodgers at the bottom.
Good guesses.
It was Freeman, Stafford and Rodgers.
Stafford if not for injury was off to a better start Matt Sanchez who many people see as an up and coming young QB.

How funny is to read question marks about accuracy in regards to Rodgers now?
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You'll probably discount my opinion simply because I disagree, but in the Washington games I watched the WRs hardly got any separation compared to the Auburn and Mizzou games I watched.
I think Locker has a lot of experience making throws into tight windows.


Just because you don't see it happening doesn't mean it can't happen.
I don't really get the fascination with the whole prediction/forecasting thing.
When you look at Locker as a QB prospect I think he stacks up as one of the top prospects.
Could he fail? Sure but so could any prospect even prospects w/ 65% or higher comp%.


Not gonna discount your opinion but will disagree. I saw Locker play a handful of games in his career and never came away impressed. Hey whoever we get Ill be pulling for the guy, but if we spend the 10th pick on him, Im gonna be pissed.
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Old 02-27-2011, 11:53 PM   #277
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Not gonna discount your opinion but will disagree. I saw Locker play a handful of games in his career and never came away impressed. Hey whoever we get Ill be pulling for the guy, but if we spend the 10th pick on him, Im gonna be pissed.
Same here I like this crop of QBs even the guys after the top 4 like Stanzi, Dalton and Ponder.

I think we should move down from 10 if possible then draft our QB.
But, if the draft shakes out where Newton and Gabbert are gone then Locker would make sense at 10.

You weren't even impressed w/ the Oregon State or the Apple Cup?
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Same here I like this crop of QBs even the guys after the top 4 like Stanzi, Dalton and Ponder.

I think we should move down from 10 if possible then draft our QB.
But, if the draft shakes out where Newton and Gabbert are gone then Locker would make sense at 10.

You weren't even impressed w/ the Oregon State or the Apple Cup?
I wouldn't be impressed with Locker if he figured out the entire Cola-Cola secret formula.
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I wouldn't be impressed with Locker if he figured out the entire Cola-Cola secret formula.
That's great.
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That's great.
Lol I couldn't help myself.
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Not gonna discount your opinion but will disagree. I saw Locker play a handful of games in his career and never came away impressed. Hey whoever we get Ill be pulling for the guy, but if we spend the 10th pick on him, Im gonna be pissed.
I can't say I saw a lot of his games cause I haven't. But the few that I did see the guy reminds me of Jay Scheroder, minus the attitude. Great athlete, cannon arm but doesn't know where the ball is going half of the time.
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Old 03-01-2011, 09:39 AM   #283
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Locker's accuracy issues seem to be mostly footwork related. Not that uncommon and something that can be corrected at the next level.
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:50 AM   #284
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The lights are flashing, the red flags are waving furiously so it's going to interesting to see what idiot team drafts Newton.

I don't see how in your right mind you could select this guy as a top pick (in the first 2 rounds) to be your future QB.

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Cam Newton views himself as 'an entertainer and icon' - The Huddle: Football News from the NFL - USATODAY.com

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Newton: "I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon.''

NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Mixed reviews for Newton after hyped workout «

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Today showed he’s not very comfortable in three- and five-step drops, and there’s a lot of work to be done.


Cam Newton gets mixed reviews at Indy combine - ESPN

Listen to Todd McShay's radio interview on Mike and Mike. He talks about how Newton didn't do very well in the interviews.


http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/...gs_NFL%20Draft

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Even more of a concern, however, is that the reigning Heisman winner is also struggling answering football questions during team interviews at the Combine.

NFLDraftScout.com has learned that at least two teams gave Newton poor grades for his "football character" following interviewing him at the Combine. Newton, according to league sources, had a difficult time drawing up plays and how to react to different defensive schemes when asked to work on the white board.

It's amazing this guy is still being talked about being drafted in the first round. Smart teams and GMs will avoid this guy like the plague. Bad ones on the other hand will most likely pick him up.
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Bottom line the kid has a ton of natural talent.
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