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Old 03-09-2011, 09:40 AM   #316
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Vinny said he wouldn't draft Cam, so that means we should definitely draft him.
The problem with Vinny is he took to many "high risk" selections in the second round two years ago. Kelly and Thomas were both "high risk" selections with one being a project the other being injury prone. They both slid to the 2nd round after draft pundits had them slated for 1st round. Taking 1 risk should have been enough, but taking two high risks with the 3 picks was foolish. Most of the picks have been decent in regards to actual talent. I do disagree with him 100% about Jimmy Clausen though. I think he lets the Notre Dame ties influence his judgment.

Devin Thomas is another one of those "projects" that mock drafters had going in the first round with all that "potential" and "upside" at WR. We see how that's worked out.



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Well we know who you dont want to draft
Don't get me wrong, I'm not high on any of the QBs this year. I think Locker would be our best fit for the type of player he is, but I don't think he's worth a #10 selection. That said, he's proved more than Cam Newton ever has (on and off the field).
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Old 03-09-2011, 09:48 AM   #317
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Vinny said he wouldn't draft Cam, so that means we should definitely draft him.
Yeah, I'm coming around to the idea now!

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Bills dined with Cam Newton, who sets up Carolina visit | ProFootballTalk
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with Auburns pro-day in the books, I look elsewhere for a QB before Cam Newton. Someone will gamble with him, I wouldn't.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:31 AM   #320
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I haven't changed anything. When I said "he's a first round grade based of being a great athlete and potential", I wasn't saying I thought he was. That's why the other draft pundits have him listed. It's also why they had Bruce Campbell listed so high as even going in the top 10. Why? All because of the "potential" and "upside".
Blah, Blah, Blah
Stop. You're arguing with yourself.
None of your back pedalling and switching arguments changes the facts.

Cam Newton has 1st round talent; if you can't see that or understand that there's no way I can explain it to you.

The rest of your post just takes a long winded route of saying the exact same thing I said in my original post that in your haste to disagree with the first statement apparently didn't bother to read:
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I think if people are honest with themselves its kinda obvious that Cam Newton is a first round talent.
But, at the same time being talented does not guarantee success for Newton or for anybody else.
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....................This kid is going to fall flat on his face.
Thanks, that's nice to know.
Predicting that any NFL prospect will fail is always the safe side. Afterall we're talking about the NFL the failure rate will always be high regardless of draft position.
You're not exactly going out on a limb when you predict a prospect will fail.

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Old 03-09-2011, 07:32 PM   #321
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Justin Tuck really summed up my thoughts in comments to the press recently:

"In this league, the athletic quarterbacks don't last long," the two-time Pro Bowler said. "It's the quarterbacks [like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees] that can sit in the pocket and take a picture of whatever defense we're in and know in 0.3 seconds that a hot slant is going to be open, or in 2 seconds, with this pump fake, that safety's gonna step up ... It's those guys that [teams] are looking for, and I don't think Cam is that player yet.

"If he comes into the league doing what he did in college, he won't be in this league for very long."

Justin Tuck of Giants says Auburn quarterback Cam Newton will struggle after NFL Draft - NYPOST.com

Is Cam a 1st round pick, sure...late round IMO. Guy is a project
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with Auburns pro-day in the books, I look elsewhere for a QB before Cam Newton. Someone will gamble with him, I wouldn't.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:40 PM   #323
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^ Thank you Mel Kiper. Your a genius.
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Old 03-09-2011, 10:53 PM   #324
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Hey when you guys see Polls on websites like the one at NFL.COM

"Which Auborn product will be drafted first?"

Cam Newton
or
Nick Fairley

Do you vote for who you actually think will be the first pick, or do you find yourself voting another way? See I looked at the question and thought "Oh no, I clearly don't want the Skins to pick up Cam Newton so I voted for Cammy in hopes that he is picked first so the Skins won't have to even put thought into whether to draft him or not.

or I find myself voting for my not so favorite QB because I'm hoping the one I'm interested in won't draw as much interest and hopefully will still be on the board when the Skins pick. lol. I know I'm spending too much time thinking about the question but I was just wondering if the rest of you do the same thing.
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Old 03-10-2011, 07:42 AM   #325
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If Newton is there when we pick, we'll grab him. I don't see how Shanahan could do otherwise. If he passes and we struggle at the QB position for the next few years he'll get crucified.
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Yet not too long ago he said the Skins would take him.

I agree with him this time around... I don't think he's a good fit here.
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:23 AM   #327
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If Newton is there when we pick, we'll grab him. I don't see how Shanahan could do otherwise. If he passes and we struggle at the QB position for the next few years he'll get crucified.
Much of that will depend on Newton's maturation process wherever he's drafted. On the contrary, should the Redskins decide not to draft him and he fails to work out elsewhere, Shanahan will look like a genius.
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:26 AM   #328
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This will probably all be moot anyway, very doubtful he falls to #10
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Yet not too long ago he said the Skins would take him.

I agree with him this time around... I don't think he's a good fit here.
Your latest post lends clarity to the Newton situation.

This article by JR of RI dated 1/26/11 is proof of your statement. Things can change a great deal in more than a month but, it demonstrates why I have so little faith in how Kiper continuously flip-flops around.

Redskins Insider - Kiper believes Redskins will take Cam Newton
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Kiper don't know WTF he thinks right now.. If we draft Cam I wouldnt be happy but I'll get over it
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