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IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

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View Poll Results: What QB Do You Want at #10?
Jake Locker 44 34.38%
Ryan Mallett 18 14.06%
Cam Newton 23 17.97%
Other (who?) 19 14.84%
Blaine Gabbert 24 18.75%
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:54 AM   #181
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Honestly I think you both are correct but stubborn enough not to admit to either that your both right.

I think you have to look at the stats in order to get an idea of how accurate the QB was under pressure, get to see where he was most accurate in his passes like short, medium, or long. but I think you also have to actually see the player and watch film to see his mechanic's, ie; footwork, arm motion, release of the ball, pocket awarness, and over all control of the offense.

I for one give little opinion to which would be better QB from a big school vs. a little school. True the competition is different but if he has few flaws and little for the QB Coach to change when the player makes the change to the pro's then what does it matter.

I'll be happy with whoever our coaching staff decides is best for it's scheme/system and I doubt the coaching staff would go out and play pin the tail on the donkey to get the next franchise QB so I presume they will do their due dilligence and look at all aspects of the QB's on the board and have a list of who they could work with.

So Gtripp wants Newton and 30 wants Locker? Or the other way around? Sorry but I didn't want to read their 8 page essays on the matter LOL.. Either way I hope the guy sits for a season.. Sexy Rexy is good enough for next year IMO
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:58 AM   #182
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I think you have to look at the stats in order to get an idea of how accurate the QB was under pressure, get to see where he was most accurate in his passes like short, medium, or long. but I think you also have to actually see the player and watch film to see his mechanic's, ie; footwork, arm motion, release of the ball, pocket awarness, and over all control of the offense............I'll be happy with whoever our coaching staff decides is best for it's scheme/system and I doubt the coaching staff would go out and play pin the tail on the donkey to get the next franchise QB so I presume they will do their due dilligence and look at all aspects of the QB's on the board and have a list of who they could work with.
I agree with you here.
Except i think there should be distinction made between comp% and accuracy.
Imo you have to watch a QB too assess their acuracy.
But, i agee with you about everything else.

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Old 01-20-2011, 12:00 PM   #183
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Actually most said we would take Trent because of his athleticism at LT, and how he would fit the system more than Okung.

Either way Locker or Newton, Rex Grossman will be the starter next season and I actually think he will have a really solid year.
Thank You.

Someone who views the same situation as I do. It really doesn't matter who we pick, cause I doubt they will start next yr. The team went out and picked up a HOF QB brought him in and even he didn't have the full grasp of the offensive scheme. Only Grossman showed that he had the full understanding. Not that I'm in love with him cause I hate his 1 interception per game ratio but he knows the system. Whoever we bring in will take time to get up to speed as it did with McNabb and more then likely won't know the offense fully.

So, I foresee Grossman standing in for a year till said drafted QB learns for a year. On a side note what if it turns out to be Beck? It was reported that the Shanahan's coveted Beck when he was in the draft. Now they have him. We might all be supprised in the coming yrs.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:01 PM   #184
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So Gtripp wants Newton and 30 wants Locker? Or the other way around? Sorry but I didn't want to read their 8 page essays on the matter LOL.. Either way I hope the guy sits for a season.. Sexy Rexy is good enough for next year IMO
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Jake Locker

But, I would hope we're in position to select a top defensive prospect that miraculously falls (Orakpo) like Marcel Dareus.
If the above situation doesn't occur then i would hope we're in position to trade down and still acquire a QB we like.

I like all this years QBs.
I think the top 4 prospects all have above average arm talent and generally sound fundamentals.
The top of my list would be Jake Locker.
Followed by Newton and Gabbert; althogh i have a hard time thinking Kyle would want a QB like Cam Newton.
Lastly there's Mallett i like his arm but not his feet, i prefer QBs that can move and make plays but there are plenty of successful QBs that don't move well.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:06 PM   #185
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I agree with you here.
Except i think there should be distinction made between comp% and accuracy.
Imo you have to watch a QB too assess their acuracy.
But, i agee with you about everything else.

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The only reason I think you have to look at the stats is because you might find a QB whose team ran the ball more then passed. Is it fair to look at him and say another QB threw for 3,000 yrds when this one only threw for 1,000? no but to see out those passes how many were caught might give you an idea of his accuracy, but you are also correct in saying that if the team has a horrid OL and it constantly breaks down and the QB is always throwing under heavy pressure should he be evaluated the same as a QB who has OL who gives him all day to find an open receiver and get them the ball? no.

Which is why I said both of you are correct. Ya have to look at all the facts not just one side and even then it's a crap shoot as to how well they will do in the NFL.
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:09 PM   #186
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As long as we're talking about players who vastly underacheived expectations in 2010, I like Texas A&M's Jerrod Johnson as a 6th or 7th round project. I think he has a lot of Tyrod Taylor's skill set, but with way less of the steep curve that's ahead of teams who look at Taylor as a future NFL starter.

Taylor is a lot like Troy Smith coming out of college. 4 years later, Smith really still plays like a successful college QB instead of a long-term pro prospect. There's nothing inherent to suggest that Taylor is doomed to the same fate: I could see him being a great pro player. But having the complete skill set isn't a guarantee of NFL success.
So do we.. and apparently our scouts all have walkers with tennis balls on the legs

Redskins Show Interest in QB Jerrod Johnson at East/West Shrine Game Practices - Hogs Haven
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Old 01-20-2011, 12:54 PM   #187
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id take another QB just not at #10 : Ponder would fit very well with Shanahan ,accurate and mobile,not the strongest of arms but accuracy is way more important
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So do we.. and apparently our scouts all have walkers with tennis balls on the legs

Redskins Show Interest in QB Jerrod Johnson at East/West Shrine Game Practices - Hogs Haven
I'm sure that's typical no news
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:20 PM   #190
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Ok so I went and Youtubed Jake Locker Highlights...

YouTube - Jake Locker Career Highlights

He seems like a decent QB, with an ability to escape trouble with his Harry Whodini routines, but I quickly got bored with the first part of the video showing nothing but him either running a designed QB run play or running around like a rat who's had too much energy drink trying to avoid a sack. I will say that with our OL it might not be a bad idea to get him.... he might be able to do something with the ball considering he had so many broken plays he turned into gains.

So I moved forward to the passing and he seems to have a good arm, fast release, and seems to be able to throw on the run.

I was simply going back to see the QB's mentioned here. My only concern is I'm not sure if the video is of any games from this yr or simply highlights of all his yrs in college.
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:32 PM   #191
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Blain Gabbert looks awkward to me. When he scrambles he looks slow, there is something about his throwing motion that I can't identify, although he seems to have a pretty strong arm to throw down field.

YouTube - Missouri QB #11 Blaine Gabbert Highlights
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Old 01-20-2011, 02:35 PM   #192
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Re: IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

Cam Newton seemed to be a decent QB as well, however watching the first part of the video left me feeling like here's another QB running around like a chicken with his head cut off. He's definitly mobile, seems to have a strong arm, maybe a big wind up, and perhaps calls his number or is not patient in the pocket.

YouTube - Cameron Newton highlights 2010 *Preview
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Yet another QB Jerrod Johnson with Whodini ability, does have a strong arm..... again doesn't seem patient or wants to simply run it himself....

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on a side note I wonder if the RB will be available to us late in the draft.
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Mallett seems like a decent QB as well. Patient in the pocket, rolls out smooth, passes on the run well, good arm....

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Shameless Plug: You can watch more than just the highlights by going to ESPN3.com Click "Watch Now" Search "Missouri" (for example), Choose "NCAAF" then pick your game and "Watch Replay"

It'll give you a more complete idea than the YT highlights. Over 150 games to choose from

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