IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

SkinItup · 01-22-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cdskins26

Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.

Yeah, if we did get him I think we should keep NcNabb even with the high price tag. McNabb can help for a couple years though we probably won't win a super bowl with him (an lets face it, it would be alil shocking with the current roster if we won one in the next couple of years anyways). McNabb can teach Cam, who seems like he may be somewhat immature, how to be and handle being an NFL QB like being the first and last person in the building and how to handle all the positive and negative attention.

SmootSmack · 01-22-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yuck

Hey SS why would you say no to cam? I'm not disagreeing with you just want your input on him..

Would you rather have locker or Gabbert?
I'm still open for a QB via trade (Orton)

I haven't seen enough of Gabbert yet

Right now with Cam I see a guy who has a long long way to go. He's had one season of strong play, he doesn't see the field well either in my opinion. He may be spectacular one day. Don't think I want us to wait.

Locker is growing on me. Yes, he had poor showings against Nebraska and Stanford this year. But what about against other top 25 teams. Plus look at where that program was just a couple of years ago, and how they've improved-from 0-12 to a Bowl game. On the one hand you can call Locker a loser, or you can say that the Huskies have improved so much in just two years and that's in no small part due to Locker

Dirtbag59 · 01-22-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't really think Cam is the right choice for us, but I don't buy all these VY comparisons

Not saying that the compisons are racist but all to often it seems when comparing players at any position we usually pair up guys that look the most similar and almost always one of the traits that get mixed in during comparisons is a players race. I think it's more unintentional though then anything else.

Me personally I felt that Wilbons comparison of Newton to Big Ben was more accurate. Both are mobile big buys that are hard to bring down with big arms. Both of them also came out during their junior years and if I remember right Big Ben played in a spread system similar to the one Newtons played in. Also Young is a lot more slender and probably a bit faster then Newton. An even closer comparison for Newton might be Tebow with a little more speed and better mechanics but minus the perfect human being thing.

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Is it a coincidence Cam Newton co-signed Bus Cook and this company as his agents?!

ESPN: Cam Newton hires agent Bus Cook

At least it wasn't Fletcher Smith.

skinsfaninok · 01-22-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I haven't seen enough of Gabbert yet

Right now with Cam I see a guy who has a long long way to go. He's had one season of strong play, he doesn't see the field well either in my opinion. He may be spectacular one day. Don't think I want us to wait.

Locker is growing on me. Yes, he had poor showings against Nebraska and Stanford this year. But what about against other top 25 teams. Plus look at where that program was just a couple of years ago, and how they've improved-from 0-12 to a Bowl game. On the one hand you can call Locker a loser, or you can say that the Huskies have improved so much in just two years and that's in no small part due to Locker

But would u take locker at 10? That's the question.. Gabbert would be a mistake IMHO, I just don't think he's all that..

SmootSmack · 01-22-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

But would u take locker at 10? That's the question.. Gabbert would be a mistake IMHO, I just don't think he's all that..

If we couldn't trade down in the 2nd to get Ponder and another pick, yes I'd take Locker at 10

SkinItup · 01-22-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Locker is growing on me. Yes, he had poor showings against Nebraska and Stanford this year. But what about against other top 25 teams. Plus look at where that program was just a couple of years ago, and how they've improved-from 0-12 to a Bowl game. On the one hand you can call Locker a loser, or you can say that the Huskies have improved so much in just two years and that's in no small part due to Locker

He definitely has some talent, but I don't see him becoming a high end pro QB, or even a majority of his career starter.

And loser isn't what i would call him, but I wouldn't call him a winner either. If I need one drive to win a game, i don't want the ball in Locker's hands. He is too inconsistent. People will probably refer to him like they do Grossman, Good rex bad rex, good john bad john.

skinsfaninok · 01-22-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If we couldn't trade down in the 2nd to get Ponder and another pick, yes I'd take Locker at 10

Your on ponder like I am Dalton lol.

mbedner3420 · 01-22-2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

That was a direct quote from Mike Wise!!

Mike Wise is a freakin' moron. I truly can't stand that ass-clown!

mbedner3420 · 01-22-2011, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cdskins26

Here are some numbers i would assess to the top 4 qb's in this draft: Please edit as seen fit.

Jake Locker:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 8 weeks-1 season.

Ryan Mallett:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:3
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1 Season at most.

Blaine Gabbert:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:4
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:2
Time needed to sit before ready to start: Immediately to 1 season.

Cam Newton:
Odds at being a 10-12 year starter: 1:2
Odds at flaming out or becoming a Campbell-like journeyman: 1:3
Time needed to sit before ready to start: 1-2 seasons.

What the hell are you going off of when you make these statements? Is this from some draft website, have you watched enough games of each player, or pure speculation based on what you have heard people say?

Everything that I have seen, Jack Locker looks pretty decent. Accurate when he has his feet under him; decent with bootlegs; great arms strength, mobility; and intangibles. Based on the games I've seen, his inaccuracy comes from poor WR and inconsistencies when pressured to move. Otherwise, he has really good mechanics.

My guess is, of the four, he has the longest tenure as a starting NFL QB.

Dirtbag59 · 01-22-2011, 08:39 PM

Only reason I believe in Locker is because Shanahan got Cutler to succeed after coming from a similar background.

Chico23231 · 01-22-2011, 10:09 PM

When I look at the results of this poll and the banter which results, makes it even more clear that taking any of these guys at ten is a mistake. I hope we seriously wait until the second b4 we consider any of these guys.

SkinItup · 01-23-2011, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Only reason I believe in Locker is because Shanahan got Cutler to succeed after coming from a similar background.

I can see your point here but Cutler is a more accurate thrower but a less gifted overall athlete. I would say Locker probably has better decision making/vision too.

SkinzWin · 01-23-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinItup

I can see your point here but Cutler is a more accurate thrower but a less gifted overall athlete. I would say Locker probably has better decision making/vision too.

That's still not exactly a strong vote of confidence by saying that though...

mitch e · 01-23-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Great point by Angry on the Wonderlic scores. Right now, I'll take Mallett. Played in a tougher conference, improved completion % each year, big arm, played solid in big games, carried his team offensively.

Locker had some horrible games, his comp % declined in 2010 with less attempts than 2009, his straight-line speed in the NFL will not be the factor it is in college.

All that being said, we need to move away from the mid-90's Shanny offense and move towards the 2009 Texans passing offense with more run emphasis. Mallett is a better fit for that type of system, than PA and rollouts.

As others have said, at 10 I'm exploring trade-down scenarios or taking best DL or OLB available.

Mallett lost his best WR to injury and still had great numbers.

SkinItup · 01-23-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

That's still not exactly a strong vote of confidence by saying that though...

Wasn't meant to be.

View Poll Results: What QB Do You Want at #10?
Jake Locker	44	34.38%
Ryan Mallett	18	14.06%
Cam Newton	23	17.97%
Other (who?)	19	14.84%
Blaine Gabbert	24	18.75%
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Chico23231 Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 36 Posts: 7,781	Re: IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want? When I look at the results of this poll and the banter which results, makes it even more clear that taking any of these guys at ten is a mistake. I hope we seriously wait until the second b4 we consider any of these guys. __________________ Ready for the Draft.

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