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IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

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View Poll Results: What QB Do You Want at #10?
Jake Locker 44 34.38%
Ryan Mallett 18 14.06%
Cam Newton 23 17.97%
Other (who?) 19 14.84%
Blaine Gabbert 24 18.75%
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:41 AM   #106
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OMG.......im sorry i opened my mouth. I just dont get why people can't say "if i had to choose it would be Mallet" or whomever. SS just asked a hypothetical........ people just seem to veer off is all.
Ok to make those happy who are stuck on the question....
I'd take Andy Dalton at #10. now you want my constructive criticism after right? Because his team didn't lose a game all season, they won 16 games, cause he looks more mobile then the other top prospects to me, cause he can make all the throws, cause he's got good character, cause he looks like he'd fit the scheme well to me.

Now is he worthy of the top 10 spot? Most say no. So I'll take the OL ( Center) that we need and take Andy Dalton later in the draft to make the rest of you happy that we didn't waist a top 10 pick on Dalton.
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A top 10 pick on a center... That's even worse than Dalton.
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Old 01-19-2011, 07:22 AM   #108
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Locker or newton will be successful on the redskins if they are properly coached by shannahans. If either are subject to what campbell went through, they probably will do the same thing, and be a mediocre starter. Start them when they are ready, and build the team around them.
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Old 01-19-2011, 10:44 AM   #109
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Ok to make those happy who are stuck on the question....
I'd take Andy Dalton at #10. now you want my constructive criticism after right? Because his team didn't lose a game all season, they won 16 games, cause he looks more mobile then the other top prospects to me, cause he can make all the throws, cause he's got good character, cause he looks like he'd fit the scheme well to me.

Now is he worthy of the top 10 spot? Most say no. So I'll take the OL ( Center) that we need and take Andy Dalton later in the draft to make the rest of you happy that we didn't waist a top 10 pick on Dalton.
Why not get a guy whose value is at #10, like Von Miller, get Dalton in the 4th round, where he will still be available, and a center in the 4th-5th round, where they usually go. Or I'll even go as high as 3rd for a center if there was a really good one and we got a 3rd from a McNabb or Haynesworth trade.

Why are you trying to reach for everything a lot higher than their draft value is? You sell the team short by doing that. Over reaching for players is why we got Orakpo. Oakland over reaching for Heyward-Bey at 7 was the domino that screwed up the rest of the draft and handed us Orakpo IMO. So I'm okay with other teams doing it, but not the Redskins.
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Old 01-19-2011, 11:16 AM   #110
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Why not get a guy whose value is at #10, like Von Miller, get Dalton in the 4th round, where he will still be available, and a center in the 4th-5th round, where they usually go. Or I'll even go as high as 3rd for a center if there was a really good one and we got a 3rd from a McNabb or Haynesworth trade.

Why are you trying to reach for everything a lot higher than their draft value is? You sell the team short by doing that. Over reaching for players is why we got Orakpo. Oakland over reaching for Heyward-Bey at 7 was the domino that screwed up the rest of the draft and handed us Orakpo IMO. So I'm okay with other teams doing it, but not the Redskins.
I wonder if we should be thinking about the 3rd or 4th rounds, where we have no picks. Certainly we might get more picks in trades. But with the CBA uncertainty, there is a chance that there will be no trading of players until after the draft. What this means is that we might get only 2012 draft picks in trades.
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Old 01-19-2011, 12:41 PM   #111
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I'm digging through the vault and watching game tape from this past season. I'm still really sold on Ponder. Tremendous pocket presence, underrated arm. His delivery can be a bit awkward though

But as for the guys likely to be taken in the 1st round, I'm less impressed with Mallet. He doesn't handle pressure as well as I'd thought he would and his balance looks off, particularly when hurried

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^ I've got to say, SS, ESPN3 is a godsend for those of us who want to go back through game video.
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^ I've got to say, SS, ESPN3 is a godsend for those of us who want to go back through game video.
You're welcome

I'm using that and other video which gives some other angles
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Old 01-19-2011, 01:30 PM   #114
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I wonder if we should be thinking about the 3rd or 4th rounds, where we have no picks. Certainly we might get more picks in trades. But with the CBA uncertainty, there is a chance that there will be no trading of players until after the draft. What this means is that we might get only 2012 draft picks in trades.
I was just hypothesizing this based on the possibility of trading for what people are assuming we would get those players for. I know we obviously can not do that if we don't have the picks to do it with. Positive thoughts. If you think it, it will happen....
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Not your fault. A perfectly reasonable offseason "what if" conversation starter went haywire. And I say this as someone who doesn't want a QB at #10.

I change my answer to Christian Ponder.
Ponder would be the QB I'd like to get, but not at #10.
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I'm digging through the vault and watching game tape from this past season. I'm still really sold on Ponder. Tremendous pocket presence, underrated arm. His delivery can be a bit awkward though

But as for the guys likely to be taken in the 1st round, I'm less impressed with Mallet. He doesn't handle pressure as well as I'd thought he would and his balance looks off, particularly when hurried

Watching Locker next
I don't feel like Mallett does any one thing better than any other QB in this draft...but as a complete package near the back end of the first round, I think you could do worse. I think it's very difficult to develop a quarterback who plays like a statue, but Mallett would benefit from a timing offense that allows him to get the ball out quick when he feels pressure.

I don't think I'd take him before Ponder, though.
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Newton is on a rocket ship and it's headed right for DC ... i change my opinion on this guy on a day to day basis
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Newton is on a rocket ship and it's headed right for DC ... i change my opinion on this guy on a day to day basis
I do also lol Actually I wouldn't mind drafting him SHIT why not?? This team needs a Young Star to come in and have high expectations
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Which was my point all along, there is a context to the stats and if you look only at the stats you miss the evaluation.


Again were back to a looking at the stats.
If the stats were the sum of his ability then according to your view it would be long odds for Locker to improve his comp%.

When you repeatedly avoid the question about how many Washington games you've watched leads me to believe that you haven't seen Locker play very often.
If stats were excluded from the discussion and we just look at Locker as a prospect i bet you would have a different opinion of him; especially his accuracy.

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I don't think we can just ignore what Locker's statistics say just because they don't always match up with the film. It's hard to make any completely conclusive statements based on only statistics, but I would argue that "Jake Locker is not worthy of the 10th overall selection" is one of those statements.

That's to say nothing of where his value might actually lie, I was just trying to point out that even though you might sometimes have to talk about stats, I can isolate a single statistic from the rest of the picture and show how rare it is for someone who can't complete passes to be successful. Rare does not equal impossible: Doug Williams had multiple valuable years where he was at the bottom of the league in comp %. That's not to avoid context, but I don't believe you can view that point as valueless and still remain intellectually honest.

If a GREAT team were to take a flyer on Jake Locker and then tear him down and try to rebuild his mechanics, maybe you get a different player entirely. But even in such a hypothetical, you're already given the benefit of a strong organizations, and with the exception of maybe the 2009 Packers, strong organizations don't pick in the top ten unless they pick up a pick from a lesser organization.
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Rather than draft Newton I'd rather wait and draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th round. I watched enough of both this year. They're the same player. Newton is taller. Tyrod is more experienced. That's it.
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