IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

FRPLG · 01-19-2011, 03:18 PM

Rather than draft Newton I'd rather wait and draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th round. I watched enough of both this year. They're the same player. Newton is taller. Tyrod is more experienced. That's it.

SmootSmack · 01-19-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Rather than draft Newton I'd rather wait and draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th round. I watched enough of both this year. They're the same player. Newton is taller. Tyrod is more experienced. That's it.

And where is this 4th round pick coming from? The draft fairy?

skinsfaninok · 01-19-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And where is this 4th round pick coming from? The draft fairy?

Some folks really need to look before they ramble on :smashfrea

skinsfaninok · 01-19-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Rather than draft Newton I'd rather wait and draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th round. I watched enough of both this year. They're the same player. Newton is taller. Tyrod is more experienced. That's it.

LMAO now thats funny... Good Joke man

FRPLG · 01-19-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

LMAO now thats funny... Good Joke man

It's no joke. Cam Newton is no NFL QB. Put it down. I kept trying all season to see him as a better version of Vince Young. One with a better head. All I saw was an athletic kid on a crazy talented team who'll get eaten alive in the NFL where he isn't nearly the athlete nor the passer Vick was when he came out.

FRPLG · 01-19-2011, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And where is this 4th round pick coming from? The draft fairy?

Haha...it was less of an actual idea than a point.

GTripp0012 · 01-19-2011, 03:32 PM

As long as we're talking about players who vastly underacheived expectations in 2010, I like Texas A&M's Jerrod Johnson as a 6th or 7th round project. I think he has a lot of Tyrod Taylor's skill set, but with way less of the steep curve that's ahead of teams who look at Taylor as a future NFL starter.

Taylor is a lot like Troy Smith coming out of college. 4 years later, Smith really still plays like a successful college QB instead of a long-term pro prospect. There's nothing inherent to suggest that Taylor is doomed to the same fate: I could see him being a great pro player. But having the complete skill set isn't a guarantee of NFL success.

GTripp0012 · 01-19-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I've decided to go with Locker. He might be a bit risky for #10 overall, but he is one of the top five college passers I have ever seen on the run and he isn't afraid to target covered receivers a la Drew Brees(the best I have ever seen in this regard).

No matter how well a cb covers in the NFL an elite qb can set up the receiver to win the battle a vast majority of the time.

Most NFL qb's don't target covered receivers a la Jason Campbell. The reason is the are pussies and don't have the elite qb gene. I think this guy might have it.

He also has size, ridiculous speed and a big arm.

I say go for it Shanahan.

Locker does throw really well on the run and across his body. It's just that I loathe his pocket ability, or lack thereof.

FRPLG · 01-19-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

As long as we're talking about players who vastly underacheived expectations in 2010, I like Texas A&M's Jerrod Johnson as a 6th or 7th round project. I think he has a lot of Tyrod Taylor's skill set, but with way less of the steep curve that's ahead of teams who look at Taylor as a future NFL starter.

Taylor is a lot like Troy Smith coming out of college. 4 years later, Smith really still plays like a successful college QB instead of a long-term pro prospect. There's nothing inherent to suggest that Taylor is doomed to the same fate: I could see him being a great pro player. But having the complete skill set isn't a guarantee of NFL success.

I don't think much of Taylor's success as a QB in the NFL. I've watched enough of both he and Newton to realize the two are quite indistinguishable from each on the field other than their height.

But taking a flyer on Taylor in the 4th (I knew and know we don't have one) seems like a helluva better deal than drafting Cam Newton at 10. We don't have the luxury of drafting players with gigantic potential downsides like he does.

Lotus · 01-19-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I was just hypothesizing this based on the possibility of trading for what people are assuming we would get those players for. I know we obviously can not do that if we don't have the picks to do it with. Positive thoughts. If you think it, it will happen....

Yeah, I agree and I was not picking on you. I hope that positive thinking works.

But the reality right now is that we are not trading players for picks until a CBA gets done and no one knows when that will be.

FRPLG · 01-19-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Locker does throw really well on the run and across his body. It's just that I loathe his pocket ability, or lack thereof.

I didn't get to see a lot of Locker. What I did see didn't give me the warm fuzzies. He didn't appear to be much of a play maker in the pocket and their offense was rather stagnant because it seemed pretty basic. I didn't notice that he had great command and/or good recognition. All-in-all he looked like a tools guy rather than a heady-tools guy. You can coach up tools...coaching up heady is pretty damn hard.

Lotus · 01-19-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Ponder would be the QB I'd like to get, but not at #10.

I agree. I was playing along with the premise of the thread.

SmootSmack · 01-19-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Haha...it was less of an actual idea than a point.

Damnit. I was hoping we'd engage in a Gut-Tripp battle. But you can't even humor me there

GTripp0012 · 01-19-2011, 03:49 PM

The toughest obsticle for a late-round prospect to overcome is a lack of height. I don't think being short is a deal breaker if you go high and you find a coaching staff and organization that believes in you: Brees' 67% completion mark with NO proves that you can create a system that shorter players who are accurate can excel in. But you don't have that advantage if you are short and have to come in and take your lumps backing up in a pro-style offense behind a more traditional quarterback.

So in the later rounds, I look for taller players who have quick releases and can project well. In the earlier rounds, I want the entire package with very few flaws.

GTripp0012 · 01-19-2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Damnit. I was hoping we'd engage in a Gut-Tripp battle. But you can't even humor me there

I'd like to go 6,000 words on the existence and role of the draft fairy, but only if you'll oblige.

View Poll Results: What QB Do You Want at #10?
Jake Locker	44	34.38%
Ryan Mallett	18	14.06%
Cam Newton	23	17.97%
Other (who?)	19	14.84%
Blaine Gabbert	24	18.75%
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01-19-2011, 03:18 PM	#121
FRPLG Franchise Player Join Date: May 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 9,232	Re: IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want? Rather than draft Newton I'd rather wait and draft Tyrod Taylor in the 4th round. I watched enough of both this year. They're the same player. Newton is taller. Tyrod is more experienced. That's it.

01-19-2011, 03:32 PM	#127
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want? As long as we're talking about players who vastly underacheived expectations in 2010, I like Texas A&M's Jerrod Johnson as a 6th or 7th round project. I think he has a lot of Tyrod Taylor's skill set, but with way less of the steep curve that's ahead of teams who look at Taylor as a future NFL starter. Taylor is a lot like Troy Smith coming out of college. 4 years later, Smith really still plays like a successful college QB instead of a long-term pro prospect. There's nothing inherent to suggest that Taylor is doomed to the same fate: I could see him being a great pro player. But having the complete skill set isn't a guarantee of NFL success. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

01-19-2011, 03:49 PM	#134
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want? The toughest obsticle for a late-round prospect to overcome is a lack of height. I don't think being short is a deal breaker if you go high and you find a coaching staff and organization that believes in you: Brees' 67% completion mark with NO proves that you can create a system that shorter players who are accurate can excel in. But you don't have that advantage if you are short and have to come in and take your lumps backing up in a pro-style offense behind a more traditional quarterback. So in the later rounds, I look for taller players who have quick releases and can project well. In the earlier rounds, I want the entire package with very few flaws. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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