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Old 01-26-2011, 04:19 PM   #46
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I don't think you can blame it on his OL, totally. The first day of the Senior Bowl practice he was having those same issues. His second practice day was better. Having natural ability and not putting it to use is as bad as drafting a lesser talented QB further into the draft.

Defense needs addressing more so than a QB in the first or second round.
I'm not blaming his OL but stating that they're not good is pretty much a fact.
I think if Locker played behind Stanford's OL he wouldn't have these question marks.
And Locker wasn't the only QB that was off target.
I think he used every bit of ability to take that Washington team to a bowl game.
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:41 PM   #47
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Yeah, pretty much. Patrino is still looking for his own version of Aaron Rodgers at the pro level. Unfortunately the closest he's gotten is Jake Plummer. Other Petrino coached QB's include Dave Ragone, Stefan LeFors, Chris Redman, and Brian Brohm many of whom serve as poster childs for why teams can't rely on using mid round draft picks to find franchise QB.

Lol in fact I'm convinced, if Chris Redman was coming out in this draft he would have a following that would make both Andy Dalton and Kellen Moore jealous, well maybe not Kellen Moore but certainly Andy Dalton. I mean if I told people that there would be a QB available as late as the third round with four years of starting experience in a pro-like system with 29 TD passes each of the last two years paired with 15 and 13 INT's as well as a 71% and 65% completion percentage (not to mention 4,042 and 3,647 yards during his last two seasons), well safe to say the man crushes would be flying left and right.

Which actually begs the question.....why the hell was Chris Redman a third round pick in the first place? I mean I know he went on to be a bust but as a prospect he certainly seems like someone that should have fetched a first round grade.

This is the perfect example of why you don't use stats as the main reason in personnel decisions.

Good numbers help get attention to good players, but nfl teams should use stats to help decide AFTER evaluating the film on players.
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Locker has a good head on his shoulders, but he threw a lot of INTs the past two years, and the bowl game against Nebraska this season he won with his feet and not his arm. To me he is an above average college QB, and nothing that should garner the lovefest he is.
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Old 01-27-2011, 07:39 AM   #49
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What's interesting about this years' draft is that it reminds me of the 2005 draft. I think Locker is a late first round pick. I think the skins are high on him, however I don't think we will spend our number 10 pick on him. What I think could happen is that we draft Von Miller at 10 and wait to see if Locker drops around 20 or so then we trade into the first round- give up our 2nd and a first from next year- and draft Locker. Similar to what we did with Campbell in 2005.
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What's interesting about this years' draft is that it reminds me of the 2005 draft. I think Locker is a late first round pick. I think the skins are high on him, however I don't think we will spend our number 10 pick on him. What I think could happen is that we draft Von Miller at 10 and wait to see if Locker drops around 20 or so then we trade into the first round- give up our 2nd and a first from next year- and draft Locker. Similar to what we did with Campbell in 2005.
My preference would be just to trade back in the first if the Shannys are hell bent on grabbing an average QB prospect...whether its locker, newton, gabbert, etc. I know its easier said than done. Miller would be a great pick at 10, but the more i here about him the more i hear he could be a top 5 pick. To give up a first next year with a better QB crop coming out next year, why wouldnt we just be patient? the more things change, the more they stay the same...
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My preference would be just to trade back in the first if the Shannys are hell bent on grabbing an average QB prospect...whether its locker, newton, gabbert, etc. I know its easier said than done. Miller would be a great pick at 10, but the more i here about him the more i hear he could be a top 5 pick. To give up a first next year with a better QB crop coming out next year, why wouldnt we just be patient? the more things change, the more they stay the same...
Yes. I would rather trade back and ADD picks than essentially spend multiple picks on one player and thus LOSE picks.

The trade out of the first round that we did a couple of years ago is the right idea...as long as we don't pick Devin Thomas again.
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Old 01-27-2011, 10:40 AM   #52
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Who will be looking for a QB?
Panthers? they are talking more about picking up a Vet in FA. But who knows...
Hurney: QB is Carolina Panthers' 'No. 1 need' - Carolina Panthers Message Board

Interesting, the 3rd poster mentions McNabbs agent was given permission to seek a trade then they say .... lets go get him. lol.

Bronco's?Most likely not their fans sound satisfied with Tebow.

Bills?A Team With an Elite QB Will Win the Super Bowl!! - Buffalobills.com Message Board

Ralph changes tune about QB - Buffalobills.com Message Board

Bengals?Maybe not the fans are for letting Dan LeFevour a shot. But their main site has Jake Locker on it as if they are scoping all the QB's.
Cincinnati Bengals

Cardinals?
Their message boards don't talk of it but personally I'd say they need a QB since what they had this last yr didn't do much.

Browns?
They seem happy with Colt McCoy.

49ers?
Harbaugh on the importance of an Elite QB - 49ers Message Board Community

Drafting a QB in the 1st or 2nd round is the best chance we have to win. - 49ers Message Board Community

Titans?
The good news they are talking about Vets...
Carson Palmer: Carson Palmer - goTitans.com
D.McNabb: Donovan McNabb - goTitans.com
Available QB's??? - goTitans.com

Dallas?
They are not talking QB, I presume they are keeping Romo, but the rumors at the end of the season I thought were they were looking to get rid of him or cut him.

I don't know why I look at all the teams ahead of us and think any or all could draft a QB. Some more then other have a bigger need for one.

It also sounds like most fans feel Locker and possibly Newton are top 1st round talent even though we keep hearing about Lockers stock falling.
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Dallas could play a pivotal role in this draft. JJ has taken the Tuna's lead & likes to trade out of the 1st round when there's not a player he's enamored with. Since they are one pick ahead of us & we are known to need a qb & many other positions, don't be surprised if some team that has an eye on a player, trades w/dallas to get ahead of us.

If nothing else, they could limit our opportunities to trade back.
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What's interesting about this years' draft is that it reminds me of the 2005 draft. I think Locker is a late first round pick. I think the skins are high on him, however I don't think we will spend our number 10 pick on him. What I think could happen is that we draft Von Miller at 10 and wait to see if Locker drops around 20 or so then we trade into the first round- give up our 2nd and a first from next year- and draft Locker. Similar to what we did with Campbell in 2005.
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Dallas could play a pivotal role in this draft. JJ has taken the Tuna's lead & likes to trade out of the 1st round when there's not a player he's enamored with. Since they are one pick ahead of us & we are known to need a qb & many other positions, don't be surprised if some team that has an eye on a player, trades w/dallas to get ahead of us.

If nothing else, they could limit our opportunities to trade back.
If somehow Prince Amukamara is there at #9, which I know is doubtful, you know they will take him. Their secondary was troubling last year.
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Dallas?
They are not talking QB, I presume they are keeping Romo, but the rumors at the end of the season I thought were they were looking to get rid of him or cut him.
Pass the cheeb my man; and while some teams have legitimate QB needs, forum chatter is hardly a front office reach out.
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Old 01-27-2011, 12:56 PM   #58
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I'm not blaming his OL but stating that they're not good is pretty much a fact.
I think if Locker played behind Stanford's OL he wouldn't have these question marks.
And Locker wasn't the only QB that was off target.
I think he used every bit of ability to take that Washington team to a bowl game.

Having a quick release and the ability to process defenses quickly enough can be a difference maker to improve your in-the-pocket efficiency. If you listen to the critiques of Locker by the draft experts, they say that he cannot at this stage handle a pro-set offense because he looks lost due to the fact that he does not go through his progressions and starts to panic.

But the guy looks as if he will get it together someday with familiarity of running a NFL style offense. Practice, practice and more practice will atone his misgivings.

At number #10, I would prefer going in a different direction by selecting a defensive player.
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Having a quick release and the ability to process defenses quickly enough can be a difference maker to improve your in-the-pocket efficiency.
Locker does have a quick release and Locker does get the ball out quickly that's is the entire design of Washington's offense get the ball out quick and move the pocket to offset their lack of pass protection.

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If you listen to the critiques of Locker by the draft experts, they say that he cannot at this stage handle a pro-set offense because he looks lost due to the fact that he does not go through his progressions and starts to panic.
No offense but right now i think you're starting to slip into the internet forum habit of just throwing things out there.

I haven't read anything like what you mention at all and I read a lot of the draft reports.
Locker's offense at Washington was mostly pro-set although you probably mean pro-style.
Now you're saying that Locker panics and doesn't go throw his progressions?
Those are kinda ambiguos claims to refute but every QB goes through progressions even Cam Newton and being that Locker plays in a pro-style offense he makes more progressions then other college QBs especially spread QBs.
As far as panic goes one of Locker's strongest traits is the ability to make plays on the run which kinda flies in the face of claim that he panics.

Again, if Locker played behind Luck's OL their would be no questions about his abilities in the pocket b/c his pocket would always be clean.
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No offense but right now i think you're starting to slip into the internet forum habit of just throwing things out there.

I haven't read anything like what you mention at all and I read a lot of the draft reports.


This is CBS Sports.com:

"Kaepernick, Locker make different last impressions

By Rob Rang
The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
Jan. 26, 2011Tell Rob your opinion!

NFL scouts leave Mobile en masse Wednesday night and Thursday morning, making Wednesday's practice impressions incredibly important.

The focus of the morning practice was again the North team quarterbacks: Jake Locker (Washington), Colin Kaepernick (Nevada) and Ricky Stanzi (Iowa).

Jake Locker again struggles with accuracy during Wednesday's practice. (AP)

The best passer on the field was Kaepernick, who threw tight spirals to either side of the field, had an exceptional touch throw into the back right corner of the end zone, and looked smooth and fluid running out of the pocket when his primary receiver was covered. When he sets his feet and throws a tight ball, Kaepernick's velocity is more than what's needed to make every NFL throw.

His delivery is still an issue -- he winds up a bit and sometimes stops at the top of the delivery before unleashing. One of his passes to the far side of the field was knocked down by a linebacker dropped into coverage -- partially because of the pause, and partially because Kaepernick didn't read the linebacker. The elongation is not as bad as that shown by Tim Tebow and Byron Leftwich in recent years, but will need to be addressed once in an NFL camp.

Tuesday's practice seemed to be a step forward for Locker, who needed to make a solid impression all week to become more than a fantastic athlete with potential. Wednesday he struggled again to connect consistently with receivers while standing in the pocket, coming up short on multiple throws to the wide side of the field. It is clear the Pac-10 star passer is aiming or pressing, trying to be perfect on every throw instead of allowing his athleticism and arm strength to shine through.

If Locker cannot exhibit NFL-caliber accuracy on seam or out routes when playing against air in one-on-one drills, or even against a half-effort pass rush in team scrimmages, it is hard to project him doing it during his NFL career."


Don't mean to show disrespect to you by chopping up your response to my post but believe me I really think Locker is a talented athlete but for whatever reason he seems to be pressing too hard. And by doing so, is not show casing the qualities you claim he has. I am not that impress with his "YouTube" highlights.

I am not talking out of my rear end when I think he is not that great.
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