Warpath  

Home | Forums | Salary Cap Info | Shop | Donate | Stay Connected




Go Back   Warpath > Redskins Forums > Redskins Locker Room > NFL Draft Central


2011 Senior Bowl Week

NFL Draft Central


View Poll Results: BuckSkin's What Position Should We Draft at #10 Poll
QB 37 35.58%
WR 2 1.92%
RB 0 0%
OL 18 17.31%
DL 14 13.46%
LB 13 12.50%
DB 0 0%
Trade the pick 20 19.23%
Voters: 104. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-30-2011, 10:47 AM   #226
Playmaker
 
SkinzWin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 2,725
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy View Post
I took note of that too... Gotta think back to Tebow last year. He looked worse than Locker, had inferior mechanics yet he did alright...
Yeah but Tebow was also the golden boy with unmatched intangibles, and something no one else can ever have.... The jump pass.
__________________
Sean Taylor #21 a Redskin forever...

Draft winners, not stars.

Hail to the Redskins
Hail victory
Braves on the warpath
Block for RG3
SkinzWin is offline   Reply With Quote

Advertisements
Old 01-30-2011, 11:36 AM   #227
Playmaker
 
Longtimefan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Germantown, Md.
Posts: 4,832
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

I voted QB but, with so many areas of need, a case can be made for every position listed in the poll choices. We should take a QB only if one can be found deemed to be the longterm solution to the problem at the position. Otherwise, make an attempt to trade out and help fill the other needy areas.
__________________
A revolution is coming and it will be televised.
Longtimefan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 03:01 PM   #228
Special Teams
 
juskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 185
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis View Post
What I found interesting was when Mayock broke down Locker's footwork. His base is initially very narrow and then becomes really wide. They then said that that was like an infielder's throwing motion. He actually was a pitcher and outfielder

Perhaps some of Locker's issues are fixable.

SirClintonPortis, how are you this fine day?

Just a point I would like to make here. It's very difficult to change habits that have been formed for many years. That being said, I don't think the correct way of planting ones lower body will benefit some athletes that play a specialized position like QB.

This might be the reason Kyle Shanahan does not emphasis making corrections to what's natural to QBs, in other words, let them play with what comes natural to them. Of course, if it is a glaring problem then show the proper way to do the same task correctly.
juskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 03:32 PM   #229
Naega jeil jal naga
 
Dirtbag59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland
Age: 29
Posts: 14,732
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotus View Post
Agreed. Ponder resembles a Pennington with legs and maybe a better deep ball.
If Ponder is in fact a Pennington clone with a stronger arm we would be smart to go after him.
__________________
"It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice."
- Scooter

"I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now."
- FRPLG

Last edited by Dirtbag59; 01-30-2011 at 04:40 PM.
Dirtbag59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 04:56 PM   #230
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by juskins View Post
SirClintonPortis, how are you this fine day?

Just a point I would like to make here. It's very difficult to change habits that have been formed for many years. That being said, I don't think the correct way of planting ones lower body will benefit some athletes that play a specialized position like QB.

This might be the reason Kyle Shanahan does not emphasis making corrections to what's natural to QBs, in other words, let them play with what comes natural to them. Of course, if it is a glaring problem then show the proper way to do the same task correctly.
Yes, muscle memory is not easy to "re-encode" yet if applied with much effort, the "new code" will "overwrite" the "old code". I think footwork is more "coachable" than many other aspects that goes into a QB's throw since.

I don't think planting is irrelevant to QB'ing since the QB uses the whole body to throw. A slight difference body part positioning is very likely to affect how the ball is going to come out.

I don't have a horse in this race as I don't know any of the QBs well enough, but I did think what Mayock pointed was interesting.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 05:42 PM   #231
Special Teams
 
juskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 185
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis View Post
Yes, muscle memory is not easy to "re-encode" yet if applied with much effort, the "new code" will "overwrite" the "old code". I think footwork is more "coachable" than many other aspects that goes into a QB's throw since.

I don't think planting is irrelevant to QB'ing since the QB uses the whole body to throw. A slight difference body part positioning is very likely to affect how the ball is going to come out.

I don't have a horse in this race as I don't know any of the QBs well enough, but I did think what Mayock pointed was interesting.

Your first paragraph sounds like a quote from Hal the computer in the movie, "2001, A Space Odyssey".

So, would you agree that in essence Mayock was saying that patience is a virtue when thinking of drafting Locker. I hear project in what you said Mayock mentioned when talking about Locker's delivery.

The reason I mentioned the word "project" is because throwing a pass with ill-advise lower half technique is a time learning concept than say, a shoulder throwing technique. Meaning that the upper body motion is easier to correct with practice. Which in itself is less cumbersome.
juskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 05:54 PM   #232
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by juskins View Post
Your first paragraph sounds like a quote from Hal the computer in the movie, "2001, A Space Odyssey".

So, would you agree that in essence Mayock was saying that patience is a virtue when thinking of drafting Locker. I hear project in what you said Mayock mentioned when talking about Locker's delivery.

The reason I mentioned the word "project" is because throwing a pass with ill-advise lower half technique is a time learning concept than say, a shoulder throwing technique. Meaning that the upper body motion is easier to correct with practice. Which in itself is less cumbersome.
If I had to go by his Senior Bowl performance, which is the only time I actually have seen him play, I would take Locker in a lower round IF I wanted to take him. Yes, Locker needs much polish indeed.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 06:26 PM   #233
Special Teams
 
juskins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 185
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis View Post
If I had to go by his Senior Bowl performance, which is the only time I actually have seen him play, I would take Locker in a lower round IF I wanted to take him. Yes, Locker needs much polish indeed.

So realizing how the Skins are defined by schemes and positional depth, what would you do with the first round pick we have?
juskins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 07:32 PM   #234
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by juskins View Post
So realizing how the Skins are defined by schemes and positional depth, what would you do with the first round pick we have?
The most I can say is that I would generally take BPA over need. I'm not qualified to propose anything more detailed.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 08:47 PM   #235
The Starter
 
30gut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,099
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis View Post
What I found interesting was when Mayock broke down Locker's footwork. His base is initially very narrow and then becomes really wide. They then said that that was like an infielder's throwing motion. He actually was a pitcher and outfielder

Perhaps some of Locker's issues are fixable.
Do you recall that clip from Bill Walsh we talked about in another thread?(i believe it was the Sam Bradford thread?)
The focus of Bill Walsh's QB instruction was from the waist down.
__________________
No longer were NFL coaches dealing inflexibly with spread [QBs] in ways that caused stunted development for players like [A. Smith and Vick] now, the idea is to bring what the quarterback can do, and what he should do, together as an organic whole
30gut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 09:22 PM   #236
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by 30gut View Post
Do you recall that clip from Bill Walsh we talked about in another thread?(i believe it was the Sam Bradford thread?)
The focus of Bill Walsh's QB instruction was from the waist down.
My man, scribd got some of Walsh's coaching documents online. I read a good deal of that those. I know.

1985 Stanford University QB Manual - Bill Walsh- 232 pages

Found it a long time ago via Wikipedia's article on the WCO. Gooooooooooooooood stuff.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 10:18 PM   #237
Playmaker
 
Paintrain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Age: 44
Posts: 4,950
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

The more I watch Jake Locker, the more I see Heath Shuler.. Dude is gonna be terrible and I hope we are NOWHERE near him!
__________________
Challenge Greatness! Be A Leader! Make A Difference!
Paintrain is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 10:20 PM   #238
The Starter
 
30gut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,099
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis View Post
My man, scribd got some of Walsh's coaching documents online. I read a good deal of that those. I know.

1985 Stanford University QB Manual - Bill Walsh- 232 pages

Found it a long time ago via Wikipedia's article on the WCO. Gooooooooooooooood stuff.
Very very nice.
Vielen Dank.

I've got a book for you: Finding the Winning Edge
Its a hard book to trackdown but if you can get your hands on that book you'll love it.
Its one the best football books ever.
I'm actually not exxagerating.
__________________
No longer were NFL coaches dealing inflexibly with spread [QBs] in ways that caused stunted development for players like [A. Smith and Vick] now, the idea is to bring what the quarterback can do, and what he should do, together as an organic whole
30gut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 10:37 PM   #239
The Starter
 
30gut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,099
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis View Post
My man, scribd got some of Walsh's coaching documents online. I read a good deal of that those. I know.

1985 Stanford University QB Manual - Bill Walsh- 232 pages

Found it a long time ago via Wikipedia's article on the WCO. Gooooooooooooooood stuff.
Wow! Skimming it now.
Um wow.
I can't believe I haven't come across this document on the web before.
I coach football and i'm printing off the whole thing bro.
No joke BIGTIME Hail!
__________________
No longer were NFL coaches dealing inflexibly with spread [QBs] in ways that caused stunted development for players like [A. Smith and Vick] now, the idea is to bring what the quarterback can do, and what he should do, together as an organic whole
30gut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2011, 11:05 PM   #240
Pro Bowl
 
SirClintonPortis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 6,052
Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week

Quote:
Originally Posted by 30gut View Post
Wow! Skimming it now.
Um wow.
I can't believe I haven't come across this document on the web before.
I coach football and i'm printing off the whole thing bro.
No joke BIGTIME Hail!
I appreciate the thanks but I don't deserve most of the credit. The props should go to the guy(s) who found and uploaded these docs and those Wikipedia users who linked it there. But hey, I'm glad I helped a fellow fan out.
__________________
Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness".

Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten.

The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.
SirClintonPortis is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site is not officially affiliated with the Washington Redskins or the NFL.
Page generated in 0.31925 seconds with 10 queries

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25