2011 Senior Bowl Week

Hog1 · 01-25-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If you can't land the franchise QB, you keep building the OL / DL and work to acquire the franchise QB. The last thing you do is waste a top ten pick reaching on a QB. That reach on the QB sets the franchise back at least 3-4 years. Better to take a QB in the lower rounds (less investment) and see if one can develop into a solid starter.

If you have all the other pieces in place a reach (Sanchez) won't hurt the team as much and that QB will look a lot better behind a very good OL with a very good D on the other side of the ball.

Good Post!!
Would you please shoot a copy over to Redskins Park just to make sure Bruce and MS are on board with the plan?

Chico23231 · 01-25-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If you can't land the franchise QB, you keep building the OL / DL and work to acquire the franchise QB. The last thing you do is waste a top ten pick reaching on a QB. That reach on the QB sets the franchise back at least 3-4 years. Better to take a QB in the lower rounds (less investment) and see if one can develop into a solid starter.

If you have all the other pieces in place a reach (Sanchez) won't hurt the team as much and that QB will look a lot better behind a very good OL with a very good D on the other side of the ball.

A-freaking-men...well said

redsk1 · 01-25-2011, 12:54 PM

You have so many kids coming out of school early, I believe 2nd rounders are almost like 1st rounders this year. I'd love to pick up another 2nd via trade or trading down. Of course, easy for us to say this over and over. If we do pick up one or two additional picks, Hankerson might be a steal in the 2nd. I know WR is not the highest priority. Of course I'd rather pick up at least 1 OL and 1 DL prior to going elsewhere. Anyways..

Colin Kaepernick, Leonard Hankerson, Jake Locker updates from Senior Bowl practice - NFL - SI.com

Leonard Hankerson/WR/Miami: Hankerson proved to be a handful for whomever attempted to cover him. He continually created separation and beat multiple cornerbacks deep to make the downfield catch. Hankerson did not drop a pass all day and made several difficult receptions in practice.

SkinzWin · 01-25-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

You have so many kids coming out of school early, I believe 2nd rounders are almost like 1st rounders this year. I'd love to pick up another 2nd via trade or trading down. Of course, easy for us to say this over and over. If we do pick up one or two additional picks, Hankerson might be a steal in the 2nd. I know WR is not the highest priority. Of course I'd rather pick up at least 1 OL and 1 DL prior to going elsewhere. Anyways..

Colin Kaepernick, Leonard Hankerson, Jake Locker updates from Senior Bowl practice - NFL - SI.com

Leonard Hankerson/WR/Miami: Hankerson proved to be a handful for whomever attempted to cover him. He continually created separation and beat multiple cornerbacks deep to make the downfield catch. Hankerson did not drop a pass all day and made several difficult receptions in practice.

If he is so heralded at the senior bowl so far, why is he not already considered a 1st round value? I am always wary of people who put too much stock into one event like the senior bowl, shriners game, or even the combine. You can prepare for a test like at the combine, but mastering that doesn't always make you the best at your position on the field.

SmootSmack · 01-25-2011, 12:59 PM

With the #10 overall pick, I'm looking to take the best player. I'm not going to get suckered into just thinking "well, we need to build our OL so let's just take a lineman here even if he doesn't need to be drafted this high"

Chico23231 · 01-25-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

With the #10 overall pick, I'm looking to take the best player. I'm not going to get suckered into just thinking "well, we need to build our OL so let's just take a lineman here even if he doesn't need to be drafted this high"

I like to think its the best player availible at current needs, so a mix of the both. DL, OL, QB, LB, WR or RB.....damn thats a sh*t ton of needs

SmootSmack · 01-25-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

I like to think its the best player availible at current needs, so a mix of the both. DL, OL, QB, LB, WR or RB.....damn thats a sh*t ton of needs

You said it

redsk1 · 01-25-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

If he is so heralded at the senior bowl so far, why is he not already considered a 1st round value? I am always wary of people who put too much stock into one event like the senior bowl, shriners game, or even the combine. You can prepare for a test like at the combine, but mastering that doesn't always make you the best at your position on the field.

I believe he was projected as a 2nd rounder. Of course, projections are just that. You can't put too much emphasis on one day, one event, etc. The guy is a big time talent though even prior to today. Big guy, who's really talented. I don't know sh** though. I've seen him play a few times and he's performing well in SB practices. Maybe worth a look..

Chico23231 · 01-25-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You said it

So it is outside of TE...lolololol Best player available.

redsk1 · 01-25-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

I like to think its the best player availible at current needs, so a mix of the both. DL, OL, QB, LB, WR or RB.....damn thats a sh*t ton of needs

I think I/we are hesitant on the best player available method due to Vinny's philosophy. It's probably a good philosophy but unfortunately Vinny couldn't scout well enough/draft well enough to give us good results.

But I do agree w/ the method. If there's no OL/DL that grade out, go w/ the best available. Since we have a need at almost every position it should be easy.

Terpfan76 · 01-25-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

If he is so heralded at the senior bowl so far, why is he not already considered a 1st round value? I am always wary of people who put too much stock into one event like the senior bowl, shriners game, or even the combine. You can prepare for a test like at the combine, but mastering that doesn't always make you the best at your position on the field.

The War Room at The Sporting News has Hankerson as a first rounder.

"Bottom line: Hankerson is a two-year starter at receiver for the Hurricanes. He does not have any ability or production as a return man for special teams. He is a first-year starter as a pro, provided that he can improve his route-running consistency."
SportingNews.com - Pro Football War Room

They have him rated as the 13th overall player in their top 99.

I also think he could be another Andre Johnson type receiver with his combination of size, strength and speed. He's not as fast as Johnson or as polished, but I really think he could be an elite wideout early in his career.
I'm not an insider with espn.com so if anyone has their scouting report, that would be nice.

skinsfan69 · 01-25-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I guess you think that Grosman will ride us to the Superbowl. Or Maybe Beck? Until we get a QB, we will be medicore at best. The only sure way to get a QB is to keep drafting high till you get one. You dont have a chance untill you have one, so why worry about other pieces untill you have one in place.

Everything I'd heard about Locker is...great athlete, will probably blow up at the combine, but simply not a skilled enough pure passer to cut it in the NFL. If he can't consistently shread Pac Ten defenses then I'm not sold that he can be good enough to be a passer in the NFL. Therefore I see no reason to take this guy in the first two rounds.

Let's also realize that this team isn't going to be competing for a Super Bowl for several more years, regardless who's playing QB.

skinsfaninok · 01-25-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Everything I'd heard about Locker is...great athlete, will probably blow up at the combine, but simply not a skilled enough pure passer to cut it in the NFL. If he can't consistently shread Pac Ten defenses then I'm not sold that he can be good enough to be a passer in the NFL. Therefore I see no reason to take this guy in the first two rounds.

Let's also realize that this team isn't going to be competing for a Super Bowl for several more years, regardless who's playing QB.

In all fairness they are saying the same about Tebow, and he looked pretty damn good in 2 starts this yr

skinsfan69 · 01-25-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If you can't land the franchise QB, you keep building the OL / DL and work to acquire the franchise QB. The last thing you do is waste a top ten pick reaching on a QB. That reach on the QB sets the franchise back at least 3-4 years. Better to take a QB in the lower rounds (less investment) and see if one can develop into a solid starter.

If you have all the other pieces in place a reach (Sanchez) won't hurt the team as much and that QB will look a lot better behind a very good OL with a very good D on the other side of the ball.

This is a great point. And I know a lot of people will not agree with my opinion but I would just get rid of just about every guy on this team approaching 30, tank next year and get in position to draft Andrew Luck in 2012. Of course he's not a sure thing but he seems to be more of a sure thing than any of the guys coming out this year.

skinsfan69 · 01-25-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

With the #10 overall pick, I'm looking to take the best player. I'm not going to get suckered into just thinking "well, we need to build our OL so let's just take a lineman here even if he doesn't need to be drafted this high"

I would try and move down.

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01-25-2011, 12:54 PM	#48
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week You have so many kids coming out of school early, I believe 2nd rounders are almost like 1st rounders this year. I'd love to pick up another 2nd via trade or trading down. Of course, easy for us to say this over and over. If we do pick up one or two additional picks, Hankerson might be a steal in the 2nd. I know WR is not the highest priority. Of course I'd rather pick up at least 1 OL and 1 DL prior to going elsewhere. Anyways.. Colin Kaepernick, Leonard Hankerson, Jake Locker updates from Senior Bowl practice - NFL - SI.com Leonard Hankerson/WR/Miami: Hankerson proved to be a handful for whomever attempted to cover him. He continually created separation and beat multiple cornerbacks deep to make the downfield catch. Hankerson did not drop a pass all day and made several difficult receptions in practice.

01-25-2011, 12:59 PM	#50
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,095	Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week With the #10 overall pick, I'm looking to take the best player. I'm not going to get suckered into just thinking "well, we need to build our OL so let's just take a lineman here even if he doesn't need to be drafted this high" __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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