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Old 04-11-2011, 01:20 PM   #316
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I'm going to shake things around a bit

1. Panthers-Cam Newton
2. Broncos-Marcell Dareus
3. Bills-Von Miller
4. Bengals-AJ Green
5. Titans-Blaine Gabbert
6. Browns-Julio Jones
7. Niners-Patrick Peterson
8. Cardinals-Jimmy Smith
9. Cowboys-Tyron Smith
10. Redskins-Robert Quinn
This would be 10x worse than the Heyward-Bey pick at #7 by the Raiders. This would be the worldwide nuclear meltdown of NFL picks. That being said, I hope it happens. With the exception of Von Miller still being there at #10. I'm okay with Quinn too though.
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Old 04-11-2011, 01:55 PM   #317
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I'm going to shake things around a bit

1. Panthers-Cam Newton
2. Broncos-Marcell Dareus
3. Bills-Von Miller

No way in hell J. Richardson picks Newton with all those red flags about his character. It's not his style and probably never will be. One thing for certain is the Panthers don't keep or draft a bunch of knuckleheads. I wouldn't call S. Smith a knucklehead before you decide to go there.
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:01 PM   #318
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Newton to the Panthers doesn't seem all that crazy

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Old 04-11-2011, 02:56 PM   #319
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Newton to the Panthers doesn't seem all that crazy

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They are blowing smoke up people's ass with this one. I don't see this one happening, but I'll eat my crow if they do indeed select him. If they do, you can write off the Panthers for another 5 years or so.
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This would be 10x worse than the Heyward-Bey pick at #7 by the Raiders. This would be the worldwide nuclear meltdown of NFL picks. That being said, I hope it happens. With the exception of Von Miller still being there at #10. I'm okay with Quinn too though.
I have a suspicion that we go OLB later in the draft and not at #10 (assuming we stay at #10).
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Old 04-11-2011, 03:16 PM   #321
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The Panthers would prefer to trade down, but if they can't I think they go with Newton. I've been torn between Gabbert and Newton for them
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Old 04-11-2011, 03:16 PM   #322
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I have a suspicion that we go OLB later in the draft and not at #10 (assuming we stay at #10).
Very possible. I mean maybe they go with a guy like Watt at 10?
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Old 04-11-2011, 03:19 PM   #323
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They are blowing smoke up people's ass with this one. I don't see this one happening, but I'll eat my crow if they do indeed select him. If they do, you can write off the Panthers for another 5 years or so.
Maybe, but it wasn't the Panthers releasing this info so take it for what it is. At the very least the Panthers are just doing their homework.
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Old 04-11-2011, 04:13 PM   #324
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When it comes to the 1st pick where theres smoke there is usually fire. It's the one pick the media usually figures out and most of the rumors so far have been on Newton. When the Texans passed on Reggie Bush and took Mario Williams it's like the only time I can remember being even remotely surprised by the #1 pick recently.
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Old 04-11-2011, 05:24 PM   #325
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When it comes to the 1st pick where theres smoke there is usually fire. It's the one pick the media usually figures out and most of the rumors so far have been on Newton. When the Texans passed on Reggie Bush and took Mario Williams it's like the only time I can remember being even remotely surprised by the #1 pick recently.
Yup. Until there is a rookie wage scale it will be hard to trade out of that first pick. And if you cannot trade out, there is no harm in broadcasting your intentions.
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Old 04-11-2011, 08:10 PM   #326
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Yup. Until there is a rookie wage scale it will be hard to trade out of that first pick. And if you cannot trade out, there is no harm in broadcasting your intentions.
Well, anybody being drafted in this years draft will fall under the new rookie scale that will be implemented with the new CBA. This is one of the few issues that both sides have agreed on. There isn't much to risk (financially wise) from teams choosing "high risk" guys in the top spots now. Poorly picking can still set your team back though. (especially at the QB spot) Trading back should be easier than ever with the financial risks gone from insane rookie contracts.

I do not believe any team in the first round would guarantee Newton 40-60 million under the previous CBA. He would free fall much like Jimmy Clausen did, who was another talented QB, but had "character issues".
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Well, anybody being drafted in this years draft will fall under the new rookie scale that will be implemented with the new CBA. This is one of the few issues that both sides have agreed on. There isn't much to risk (financially wise) from teams choosing "high risk" guys in the top spots now. Poorly picking can still set your team back though. (especially at the QB spot) Trading back should be easier than ever with the financial risks gone from insane rookie contracts.

I do not believe any team in the first round would guarantee Newton 40-60 million under the previous CBA. He would free fall much like Jimmy Clausen did, who was another talented QB, but had "character issues".
Nope. There has been agreement in principle that there should be a rookie wage scale. But details have not been worked out. Even if they had details, such will not go into effect until a new CBA is signed. The chances of having a signed and sealed CBA before the draft are slim. Rookie pay this year remains an uncertainty but there is a good chance that last year's rules will apply.
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I won't pretend I know, well because I don't. How would this scenario really play out? We can agree that chances are that a new agreement will not be signed before the Draft, but rookie contracts wont be signed before the agreement either. So, what happens, if the new CBA does indeed contain a rookie cap? Will it cover this year's draft class or will it start in 2012?
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Old 04-11-2011, 09:53 PM   #329
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I'll put it this way. Do you think the owners, who are locking the league out over money, is going to allow the new rookies coming in to fall under the same scale that Bradford and crew were under? I think GWB has a better chance at a third Presidency term than that happening. Stranger things have happened though. Kudos to them if they get it.
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I won't pretend I know, well because I don't. How would this scenario really play out? We can agree that chances are that a new agreement will not be signed before the Draft, but rookie contracts wont be signed before the agreement either. So, what happens, if the new CBA does indeed contain a rookie cap? Will it cover this year's draft class or not start until 2012?
If the players' injunction against the lockout wins through appeal, the owners will have to create operating rules and a new season will begin, even absent a CBA. There is a good chance that those operating rules will be the same as the rules from last year, even though the owners were not fond of those rules, since the players can't really file a lawsuit or scream antitrust against rules created within the context of a CBA which they signed. So, in this scenario, even without a CBA, rookies will be signed according to last year's rules: no rookie wage scale.

There is no guarantee that things will go down this way, of course. But they could. And this uncertainty alone may make teams wary of trading up into the top spot, the top 5, or the top 10.

If a CBA is signed over the summer, no one knows whether a rookie wage scale will be retroactive. Hence, in this latter scenario, the same uncertainty arises, likely with the same reticence of teams to trade towards the top.

What a mess.
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