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Old 04-19-2011, 02:42 PM   #361
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Well some would tell you that Brown was the contingency plan for Harris. When we didn't get Harris we went after Brown...others would tell you we wanted both
When the original plan was to draft Bradford? Leaving Brown at LT and Harris at RT.
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Old 04-19-2011, 09:42 PM   #362
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#10 Trade with STL
#14 Ryan Mallett
# 41 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
# 47 from STL. Jon Baldwin WR Pitt
# 144 Demarco Murray RB OKLA
# 155 Steve Wisniewski C PSU
# 177 Alex Henery K Neb
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:03 PM   #363
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#10 Trade with STL
#14 Ryan Mallett
# 41 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
# 47 from STL. Jon Baldwin WR Pitt
# 144 Demarco Murray RB OKLA
# 155 Steve Wisniewski C PSU
# 177 Alex Henery K Neb
Mallet at 14? Are you doing Meth? I mean I could be accused of coke with Locker at 10, but Mallet at 14? Man, you didn't do it just once did you?
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:14 PM   #364
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Mallet at 14? Are you doing Meth? I mean I could be accused of coke with Locker at 10, but Mallet at 14? Man, you didn't do it just once did you?
Guy has a top 10 grade Locker doesn't lol
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Old 04-19-2011, 10:42 PM   #365
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#10 Trade with STL
#14 Ryan Mallett
# 41 Phil Taylor DT Baylor
# 47 from STL. Jon Baldwin WR Pitt
# 144 Demarco Murray RB OKLA
# 155 Steve Wisniewski C PSU
# 177 Alex Henery K Neb
You are missing some picks. You also clearly don't like linemen very much - 2 linemen in 6 selections, despite the fact that both lines need help.
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Old 04-19-2011, 11:12 PM   #366
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You are missing some picks. You also clearly don't like linemen very much - 2 linemen in 6 selections, despite the fact that both lines need help.
I only had time to do that much lol
Well I think this OL draft class is pretty avg plus I'm going on SS s predictions with the FA lineman also. As for DL I like talyor in the 2nd if he's there of course. Plus we need skill position just as bad imo
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Old 04-20-2011, 12:50 AM   #367
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Steve Wisniewski isn't lasting that long..
I'd venture that he could lasts longer. For starters none of us thought last year that Bruce Campbell would last until the fourth round. Last year also saw tackles Kyle Calloway and Selvish Capers fall to the 7th round. Calloway I believe graded out as a 3rd or 4th round guy while some of us wouldn't have even batted an eye if Capers had gone in the 2nd.

In 2009, AQ Shipley, ironically a Center out of Penn State graded out as a mid round prospect. He ended up going in the 7th round.

Also in 2008 we had center Steve Justice out of Wake Forest who I believe graded out as early as the second round. He ended up being a 6th round comp pick.

Personally from what I've read both Shipley and Justice were more highly regarded coming out then Wisniewski.

So in conclusion I believe it's entirely possible that a guy like Wisniewski could easily last until the 7th round. If I remember correctly I took him at the bottom of the fifth.
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Old 04-20-2011, 01:20 AM   #368
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Changed some things around.

10 (R1) Jake Locker - QB - Washington - I believe the Redskins O-Line will be significantly improved this year so long as they're able to resign Brown and get Davin Joesph as a Free Agent. That would give Locker something he never had in 4 years at Washington, a solid Offensive Line that can give him time in the pocket. With his physical skillset, work ethic, and tutelage under Shanahan the skies the limit. His ability to throw outside the pocket may be second to none (70% passer outside the tackles).

41 (R2) Jurrell Casey - NT - USC - Short squaty nose tackle that may be under weight on draft day for a Nose Tackle (currently 300 pounds). Still plays the run very well, plays hard, and is a solid character guy. Also capable of getting a little bit of a push on the pass rush.

144 (R5) Derrick Locke - RB - Kentucky - Small quick back with very good vision. Runs hard and would likely fit well in a rotation. Also capable of contributing in the passing game on third down.

155 (R5) Darvin Adams - WR - Auburn - Auburn wide receivers coach Troop Taylor has said that Adams practices at game speed and needs to be slowed down when the team practices in shells. Hard worker that gained five pounds during the 2010 off-season. Has said that he wants to execute every play and help teammates get open when he doesn't get the ball.

177 (R6) Zach Hurd - OG - UConn- Tall athletic Guard. Team Captain that is regarded as a hard worker.

213 (R7) Jonas Mouton- OLB - Michigan High motor player. Former Captain. Decent coverage ability for an OLB. Lack of top end speed might keep him from turning the corner at the next level.

224(R7) Mike Smith - OT - Nebraska Versatile and athletic tackle. Missed 2010 due to a broken leg. Played Tackle, Guard, and Center while at Nebraska.

253 (R7) Ryan Whalen - WR - Stanford - Good size and former walk on that went on to be one of the teams better receivers. Does a good job of fighting for jump balls. Not a deep threat. Likes to run block.

UDFA's

Damien Berry - RB - Miami Hard worker capable of playing special teams. Don't know to much about him as a runner, but I do know the skins have met with him in some capacity so maybe they see something.

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Would love for the team to either trade up into the fourth round or trade back and pick up a 3rd or 4th round pick. Doing so would allow them to draft Bilal Powell (RB, Louisville) who is said to have top notch vision.

Was tempted to put Jerrell Powe in the 5th round as he's graded as a 6th round pick by ESPN but most other draft sites have him as a 3rd or 4th round pick. Personally I'm going to stay on the safe side and say he goes in the 3rd or 4th.

Also considered drafting Andrew Jackson (G, Fresno State) in the 6th round. He's a tall, tough, and athletic technician that had offseason back surgery in 09 and an ankle injury that held him to just 4 games in 2010.

Liked Karl Klugg (DE, Iowa) in the 5th round as well. He has great speed for a player his size but his struggles stopping the run made me shy away from him.

Jacquizz Rodgers (RB, Oregon State) was an interesting consideration for the 5th round as well. He has very good vision, quickness, and runs hard. He also contributed in the passing game. Might be drafted a little earlier then our 5th round pick but also might fall due to height 5'5 (7/8).

If Marvin Austin is there in the Second Round when we pick I would also consider him but I have my doubts about him being there at 41.
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Old 04-20-2011, 02:37 AM   #369
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Re: 2011 NFL Mock Draft thread.

I had thought this thread was about what we think would/could happen. But it seems like a lot of people are posting what they'd want to happen

Also, with no CBA in place there are also no UDFAs
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Old 04-20-2011, 02:44 AM   #370
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I had thought this thread was about what we think would/could happen. But it seems like a lot of people are posting what they'd want to happen

Also, with no CBA in place there are also no UDFAs
I understand that there won't be any UDFA signings right after the draft but eventually there will be. Plus I already had that little explanation for Damien Berry and I didn't want it to go to waste.

My Mock, in all it's genius, is more of a hybrid of what I think will happen and what I would do. More of what I would do in the later rounds and a little more of what I think might happen in the early rounds. Though I will admit this latest mock from top to bottom is mostly what I would do. Not sure if anything I said makes sense to anyone but me. Nah it probably makes perfect sense. The inspiration I've conjured up from the Mallet thread has me thinking more clearly then ever thanks to a white powdery substance.
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Changed some things around.

10 (R1) Jake Locker - QB - Washington - I believe the Redskins O-Line will be significantly improved this year so long as they're able to resign Brown and get Davin Joesph as a Free Agent. That would give Locker something he never had in 4 years at Washington, a solid Offensive Line that can give him time in the pocket. With his physical skillset, work ethic, and tutelage under Shanahan the skies the limit. His ability to throw outside the pocket may be second to none (70% passer outside the tackles).
You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?
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What are "poor presences"
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Old 04-21-2011, 01:32 AM   #373
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You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?
It's not his mediocre play. It's his rare physical skill set. His ability to push the ball down field and extend plays. His experience running plays off play action. His accuracy outside the pocket (over 70% completion percentage outside the tackles). His mobility that will allow him to buy extra time.

Also I think you're reaching on the poor leadership skills. The average production and the accuracy problems are valid concerns but character wise the guy is about as good as it gets.

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Outstanding competitor. Shows no fear. Will hang in the pocket and take the hit in order to deliver the ball on time. Teammates have tremendous respect for him as a leader. Proved numerous times in 2010 that he will play through injury.
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Most importantly above all, the guy who knows QB's (Shanahan) is reported to love him as a potential QB for this offense. Personally I think Lockers a bad fit for 90% of the league. However he has the intangibles and physical skill set to succeed and his combination of mobility and arm strength alone make him a great fit for a team that wants to run passes off of bootlegs and play action.
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Old 04-21-2011, 01:44 AM   #374
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You can't be serious? What is it about Jake Lockers mediocre play through his career that would merit him going 10th overall? Was in inaccurate passing, poor presences, poor leadership skills, poor completion percentage, or mediocre winning percentage?

he successfully managed a game against a significantly better nebraska team that had walked through them earlier in the season. he also has something that cannot be coached, toughness. he wants to win as much as anyone, and is definitely motivated to succeed.

My rankings for these quarterbacks are:
1. Newton
2. Gabbert
3. Locker
4. Mallett
5. Dalton
6. Ponder
7. Kaperneck
8. Stanzi

and there is really so little seperating most of these players, nobody can really tell who will end up the best.
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he successfully managed a game against a significantly better nebraska team that had walked through them earlier in the season. he also has something that cannot be coached, toughness. he wants to win as much as anyone, and is definitely motivated to succeed.

My rankings for these quarterbacks are:
1. Newton
2. Gabbert
3. Locker
4. Mallett
5. Dalton
6. Ponder
7. Kaperneck
8. Stanzi

and there is really so little seperating most of these players, nobody can really tell who will end up the best.
I don't see it like that. For me it's more along the lines of

High Floor High Ceiling
........okay no one.

Medium Floor, Medium to High Ceiling
Blaine Gabbert
Andy Dalton
Christian Ponder

Low Floor, High Ceiling
Kaepernick

Low Floor, Ridiculously High Ceiling
Cam Newton
Jake Locker
Ryan Mallet
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