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Old 04-22-2011, 01:06 AM   #391
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^I like the idea of taking a day one starter at offensive tackle. It will help our terrible running game and help protect our Qb. Locker will just sit on the bench.
If we stay at 10 and all the elite pass rushers and Defensive linemen are gone, the few remaining elite Offensive linemen, WR or RB seems to a safer bet, then reaching for a QB.
Stick with what is proven works, elite pass rusher or elite offensive linemen. I would love to come away with from this draft with the next Russ Grimm and Joe Jacoby. They proved you win with any of three different Qb's.
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Thank you Landry44 for bringing some reality back to this Jake Locker lovefest. I feel the same way you do about Locker. The more game footage I watch of Locker the more I dislike him. His highlight reel of big game winning plays are him running the ball. Look what happen to him in the Bowl game nearly got knocked unconscious when he ran the ball against Nebraska. He will get killed in the NFL if he runs like he did in college. He is not very bright for running with his head down.
Kind of reminds me of Patrick Ramsey, great guy, looks like your frat brother, tough, can take a hit, strong arm, but inaccurate. Just like Ramsey. One major difference is he can run and Ramsey could not.
Locker will not wake up one day and go from being inaccurate college Qb against lesser talent and suddenly transform into an accurate passer against MUCH better talent he will face in the NFL.
Locker is a project and a bit of a gamble. You do not draft a project with the #10 pick. That is a Cerratto move.
There you go. A whole drive of passes and one run by Locker to set up a game winning field goal. I suggest you fast forward to 3:40 if you want to know what this Locker kid is all about.


By the way, if Vick can learn to be an accurate passer then I'm pretty sure this Locker guy can to. Just remember 70% completion rate on throws outside the pocket. We run a bootleg, play action, down the field passing system.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:15 AM   #393
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It's only reality to you and Landry because you both share the same opinion. Others disagree believing that Locker deserves the benefit of the doubt when you look at the quality of the talent that surrounded him at Washington. If we can get Locker in the second round after taking Castonzo in the first as TSN's mock shows, that would be great in my opinion, especially if you take Locker with the idea of having him sit the first year getting some occasional mop up duty. Locker isn't the guy if you are expecting him to start day one.

As for the Locker/Ramsey comparison, I always like Ramsey and have always felt he got a raw deal considering the sieve for an offensive line we had. He was tough and his teammates respected him and that I can see in Locker. I'd be willing to bet that Locker will have the teams respect in short order by the way he works on and off the field and through his leadership. He may not end up with a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning career, but I think he'll be someone we'll either wish we had drafted or are glad we did draft. Whatever we do, I just hope we get it right this year.
Of course that would be great. Just do not reach for Locker at #10.

You talk about Locker's college team not being very good. Yes that is true. But what really shocked me when watching his games from last year, I was shocked at how unathletic and bad some of the competition was. HIs highlights from the UCLA and Cal games in particular, some of the Db's and Lb's looked worse then my highschool teamates. The PAC 10 last year was not very good, especially the bottom half. Last years Pac10 will not be confused with the SEC. You are only as good as your competition.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:29 AM   #395
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There you go. A whole drive of passes and one run by Locker to set up a game winning field goal. I suggest you fast forward to 3:40 if you want to know what this Locker kid is all about.


By the way, if Vick can learn to be an accurate passer then I'm pretty sure this Locker guy can to. Just remember 70% completion rate on throws outside the pocket. We run a bootleg, play action, down the field passing system.
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Locker rushed 12 times for 112 yards in that game. Locker rushed for 84 yards and a decisive touchdown in his final college game. Locker nearly got decapitated running the ball in that game.
Everyone talks about how he is not so accurate as a pocket passer but so much more accurate when getting outside of the pocket. In the NFL the speed of the defenders especially on the edge is so much more than college, Locker better develop pocket passing accuracy or he will get killed if he has to rely on one thing. Thinking Locker is a Franchise Qb at this stage is reckless. We have so many holes to fill taking a chance with Locker at 10 is a big gamble for Mr. Shanahan and his longevity in DC.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:36 AM   #396
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Locker rushed 12 times for 112 yards in that game. Locker rushed for 84 yards and a decisive touchdown in his final college game. Locker nearly got decapitated running the ball in that game.
Everyone talks about how he is not so accurate as a pocket passer but so much more accurate when getting outside of the pocket. In the NFL the speed of the defenders is so much more than college, Locker better develop pocket passing accuracy or he will get killed.
Why is everyone knighting me today? You're like the 12th person to call me Sir.

And I agree on the need for him to develop as a pocket passer. I don't go into this prediction/desire for Locker without reservations but I certainly don't think it's unrealistic to expect him to develop that skill at the next level. Plus if the Redskins have done all this work since week 8 and decided that Locker is their guy that should at least say something about how he projects at the next level in this system.

Still while NFL defenses will make it significantly harder for QB's to gain yards on the ground it's still hard to get to QB's on designed play action. Especially when you have tackles like Trent Williams leading the way. Also the right side won't be shabby either with Brown or Harris manning the RT spot. Every Shanahan QB has had great success getting to the edges on bootlegs and rollouts....except McNabb but thats beside the point.

I mean if Schuab can get outside the pocket then I'm pretty sure that Locker can get there to.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:46 AM   #397
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Why is everyone knighting me today? You're like the 12th person to call me Sir.

And I agree on the need for him to develop as a pocket passer. I don't go into this prediction/desire for Locker without reservations but I certainly don't think it's unrealistic to expect him to develop that skill at the next level. Plus if the Redskins have done all this work since week 8 and decided that Locker is their guy that should at least say something about how he projects at the next level in this system.

Still while NFL defenses will make it significantly harder for QB's to gain yards on the ground it's still hard to get to QB's on designed play action. Especially when you have tackles like Trent Williams leading the way. Also the right side won't be shabby either with Brown or Harris manning the RT spot. Every Shanahan QB has had great success getting to the edges on bootlegs and rollouts....except McNabb but thats beside the point.

I mean if Schuab can get outside the pocket then I'm pretty sure that Locker can get there to.
Mcnabb was running for his life behind our line last year. I was not very impressed with Brown. I would not be so quick to lay all the blame on Mcnabb who was playing in a new system for him. I do not hate Locker and I would be ok with us taking further down the draft. He is a reach at 10. That is all. Reaching when you have so many other holes to fill is a Ceratto move.
We are not a Qb away from being good. This is a deep draft and we should get a day one starter at 10. Not a project roll of the dice. Not at 10 please.
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Mcnabb was running for his life behind our line last year. I was not very impressed with Brown. I would not be so quick to lay all the blame on Mcnabb who was playing in a new system for him. I do not hate Locker and I would be ok with us taking further down the draft. He is a reach at 10. That is all. Reaching when you have so many other holes to fill is a Ceratto move.
We are not a Qb away from being good.
Agreed, but you don't draft a QB to be good that year. You draft a QB to be good 3 or 4 years down the road.

Lineman can be drafted and added in between and get up to speed much quicker (how many weeks, not years but weeks, did it take for Trent to get good enough to hold off Pro Bowl pass rushers). Bottom line if you see your franchise QB you take him. Maybe you can manage a quick trade down but you don't play fast and loose with a guy you see as your QB of the future.

Look at it this way. Without a QB of the future you're going to have to worry about the Skins taking a QB instead of a trench player for the next 2 or 3 years. You will never get any sleep. Even if Locker is a total bust the team will stay away from drafting the QB position for the next few years and instead focus on front 7 defenders, lineman, and other positions.
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Thats my Quarterback :'(
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There you go. A whole drive of passes and one run by Locker to set up a game winning field goal. I suggest you fast forward to 3:40 if you want to know what this Locker kid is all about.


By the way, if Vick can learn to be an accurate passer then I'm pretty sure this Locker guy can to. Just remember 70% completion rate on throws outside the pocket. We run a bootleg, play action, down the field passing system.
I remember this game like it was yesterday. The very game that turned me into a Locker fan. Clutch comeback.
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A different POV by Kevin Ewoldt:

We all know the Redskins are rebuilding, here's why drafting a QB makes zero sense.

1. There are no elite QBs in this draft. Every GM is saying this and it's obvious to numbnuts like me. The Redskins have a defense that can't get off the field and an offense line that is missing legit starters from Left Guard through Right Tackle. How does adding a flawed QB really help this team? (see next point)
2. We already have not one, but TWO average QBs. What's really the difference between Chris Ponder, Jake Locker, Andy Dalton, Rex Grossman, and John Beck? Nothing. They're all the same size with mobility, so what's the point of burning a quality pick on another QB? Grossman is 30 and knows the offense. Are any of these college QBs going to outplay Grossman the next 3 years? NO. Build the team where we need starters and fill the QB when a legit prospect rolls through.
3. Starting talent is deep in the draft. Parks Smith and I just did a live mock draft on Twitter where trades were allowed. We had several offers to move back at #10, which we did. The Redskins will have that opportunity and there were still quality players on the board in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
4. Redskins need starters. This is huge. With two average QBs on the bench, why add a 3rd when the Redskins have so many holes? Grossman can hold this ship for multiple years until we get a line that can protect him and some skilled players to bail him out. The Redskins are a bad team all around, so adding a QB that will ride the pine is criminal when that 2nd round pick is more likely than not to net a starter for several years to come.

Note: This isn't meant to be a "Bring back the Hogs" post. It's simply a fact our OLine is atrocious. It's a shame we didn't have free agency to help things out pre-draft, but perhaps it's a blessing in disguise in that it forces the front office to build our team through the draft.
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1. The coaches definitely want a young QB to develop

2. The Draft is still a crapshoot no matter what position you decide to draft.

3. I don't get how you can honestly say we don't need a QB.
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This is my new selling line. If we draft a QB this year, success or not, we won't have to worry about the front office drafting the position for at least the next 3 years. And hey if it works out then you get to draft all the lineman you want for the next 10 to 15 years and no one will challenge you. And best of all I won't have to hear about next years QB class being better for at least the next 2 or 3 years.
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Old 04-22-2011, 04:14 AM   #404
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A different POV by Kevin Ewoldt:

We all know the Redskins are rebuilding, here's why drafting a QB makes zero sense.

1. There are no elite QBs in this draft. Every GM is saying this and it's obvious to numbnuts like me. The Redskins have a defense that can't get off the field and an offense line that is missing legit starters from Left Guard through Right Tackle. How does adding a flawed QB really help this team? (see next point)
2. We already have not one, but TWO average QBs. What's really the difference between Chris Ponder, Jake Locker, Andy Dalton, Rex Grossman, and John Beck? Nothing. They're all the same size with mobility, so what's the point of burning a quality pick on another QB? Grossman is 30 and knows the offense. Are any of these college QBs going to outplay Grossman the next 3 years? NO. Build the team where we need starters and fill the QB when a legit prospect rolls through.
3. Starting talent is deep in the draft. Parks Smith and I just did a live mock draft on Twitter where trades were allowed. We had several offers to move back at #10, which we did. The Redskins will have that opportunity and there were still quality players on the board in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
4. Redskins need starters. This is huge. With two average QBs on the bench, why add a 3rd when the Redskins have so many holes? Grossman can hold this ship for multiple years until we get a line that can protect him and some skilled players to bail him out. The Redskins are a bad team all around, so adding a QB that will ride the pine is criminal when that 2nd round pick is more likely than not to net a starter for several years to come.

Note: This isn't meant to be a "Bring back the Hogs" post. It's simply a fact our OLine is atrocious. It's a shame we didn't have free agency to help things out pre-draft, but perhaps it's a blessing in disguise in that it forces the front office to build our team through the draft.
They also came up with a pretty good article on Landry44's boy Mallet.


A Solid Case Why The Redskins Are Targeting Ryan Mallett
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Editor Update: A fine post possibly ruined by this breaking news on Mallett.

This is not Mike Shanahan's offense...it is Kyle's. Why do people talk about the type of QB Mike Shanahan likes (which most get it misconstrued), when Kyle's QB is on the contrary.The difference in both systems is that Mike is run first and Kyle is pass first.

Mike Shanahan
He runs first to set up play action and bootleg. His basic package is with 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 HB, and a FB. To succeed in this system, Mike NEEDs a QB that can throw on the run. That is why the trade for McNabb made perfect sense. Cutler thrived in it.

Kyle Shanahan
Shotgun heavy with emphasis on stretching the field. Basic package: 3 WR, 1 TW, and 1 HB. To succeed in this system, Kyle Shanahan NEEDs a Qb with pocket presence to allow the play to develop. Matt Schaub thrived in it.

McNabb, prior to the trade, fit the bill for both Shanahans. He can pass on the run with pocket presence. Late in the season, it was clear that Rex rossman ran the offense more smoothly then McNabb. Not because he can throw off the run, but because of pocket presence. Looking into this years draft, the only QB that makes sense for Kyle's system is Ryan Mallet. Jake Locker is what I stated about McNabb, but without pocket presence. Accuracy is a huge factor to be a pocket passer in Kyle's system. How many deep balls were under or over thrown by McNabb? And for that matter, even intermediate routes?




Don't be fooled by all the smoke and mirrors. We were sure to receive Russell Okung last year (Jake Locker this year) for a system he did not fit in. Mallet is this years Trent Williams.


The Redskins WILL DO WHATEVER it takes to draft him.

Editor update: This YouTube highlight shows Mallett running and gunning out of the pocket quite a bit.
The last part interest me the most. Maybe I was thinking that I was looking at the QB version of Williams when in fact I may have been looking at OKUNGGGGGGGGGGGGG! (Sorry I've gone to long without saying that). In my defense though I did say earlier in the offseason that Mallet reminded me of Schuab. But alas my faith in my Locker prediction can't be shaken. I must stick to my guns and become the Warpaths Rain Man, which will be a step up from my current position as QB whore.
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They also came up with a pretty good article on Landry44's boy Mallet.


A Solid Case Why The Redskins Are Targeting Ryan Mallett
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149 COMMENTS EMAIL PRINT
Editor Update: A fine post possibly ruined by this breaking news on Mallett.

This is not Mike Shanahan's offense...it is Kyle's. Why do people talk about the type of QB Mike Shanahan likes (which most get it misconstrued), when Kyle's QB is on the contrary.The difference in both systems is that Mike is run first and Kyle is pass first.

Mike Shanahan
He runs first to set up play action and bootleg. His basic package is with 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 HB, and a FB. To succeed in this system, Mike NEEDs a QB that can throw on the run. That is why the trade for McNabb made perfect sense. Cutler thrived in it.

Kyle Shanahan
Shotgun heavy with emphasis on stretching the field. Basic package: 3 WR, 1 TW, and 1 HB. To succeed in this system, Kyle Shanahan NEEDs a Qb with pocket presence to allow the play to develop. Matt Schaub thrived in it.

McNabb, prior to the trade, fit the bill for both Shanahans. He can pass on the run with pocket presence. Late in the season, it was clear that Rex rossman ran the offense more smoothly then McNabb. Not because he can throw off the run, but because of pocket presence. Looking into this years draft, the only QB that makes sense for Kyle's system is Ryan Mallet. Jake Locker is what I stated about McNabb, but without pocket presence. Accuracy is a huge factor to be a pocket passer in Kyle's system. How many deep balls were under or over thrown by McNabb? And for that matter, even intermediate routes?




Don't be fooled by all the smoke and mirrors. We were sure to receive Russell Okung last year (Jake Locker this year) for a system he did not fit in. Mallet is this years Trent Williams.


The Redskins WILL DO WHATEVER it takes to draft him.

Editor update: This YouTube highlight shows Mallett running and gunning out of the pocket quite a bit. YouTube - Ryan Mallett

The last part interest me the most. Maybe I was thinking that I was looking at the QB version of Williams when in fact I may have been looking at OKUNGGGGGGGGGGGGG! (Sorry I've gone to long without saying that). In my defense though I did say earlier in the offseason that Mallet reminded me of Schuab. But alas my faith in my Locker prediction can't be shaken. I must stick to my guns and become the Warpaths Rain Man, which will be a step up from my current position as QB whore.
You're looking to deep into this.

Ryan Mallett is a mess and does not have the personality to be the franchise player of the Redskins. It really is that simple.

Not only that but it's just too easy to beat a QB like Mallett when your O-line is so sketchy, and it's not like we can rely on our receivers to be making plays.
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