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Old 04-24-2011, 11:06 PM   #436
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An athlete is a tuck and run guy. A "project" who needs to be developed into a passer.
Plenty of college QB prospects need to be developed into an NFL 'passer'.

Its the way the league works the QB is a developmental position not a 1st year 'impact' position.

Tyrod played in more of a 'pro-style' offense then Newton, Gabbert, Dalton and Kaepernick.

I don't think Tyrod is a 'tuck and run guy' right now he may have been one in the past.

When you watch Tyrod now, you can see him going through his progressions. He runs when he's trying to make a play keeping his eyes downfield and remaining a passer for as long as possible (which is something he didn't always do).
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:54 PM   #437
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Re: 2011 NFL Mock Draft thread.

Taylor attempted 315 passes in 2010. He also threw for 24 touchdowns. Like 30gut said, he can't really be considered a tuck and run guy anymore.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:10 PM   #438
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Stop.
The team was 0-12 2 years ago (Locker on played in 4 games that year) this year they're 7-6 and won a bowl game in their first bowl appearance in 8 years.

When you say he didn't make anyone better you are factually incorrect.

Dude improved the entire football program.

And his leadership is universally praised even by scouts that don't like him.
The fact that you can't even make that concession makes it pretty clear to me that you don't know what you're talking about.


I concede that for his career he was sub .500 but again we're talking about a program that was on the downside when he got there and he brought them 2 back to back above .500 seasons.

He rarely makes big throws? Really?



Accuracy is not the same as completion percentage.
Accuracy is about ball placement.

But, even if you look only at his completion % to arrive at the conclusion that 'his accuracy is terrible' then how do you justify his 70% comp % outside the pocket? He cannot by definition be a net inaccurate passer if he's magically more accurate on the more difficult throws on the move outside the pocket.


His stats have been mediocre I'll agree with that but thankfully the scouting process isn't about looking at stats because stats tell you more about the team then the prospect.

*Even despite the large gap in the quality of the teams that surround them Gabbert the No.1 rated QBs 2010 stats aren't much better then Locker's:

Gabbert: QB Rating:127--63.6 comp %---16 TD---9 Ints----23 sacks
Locker: QB Rating: 124--55.4 comp%----17 TD---9 Ints----19 sacks

But, again its not even about the stats.

You look at the measureables: arm strength, ball placement, release, escapability, experience, ability to execute a pro-style offense, ability to execute 3-5-7 step drops in a rhythm passing offense, etc...

I understand that you might not understand or see why Locker is a top prospect, but lets not pretend that he's not okay?

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Jake Locker didn't make anyone around here better because his team sucked. His winning percentage is terrible and his individual numbers wasn't much better. Now you might have some scouts that think he's a good leader. However, I don't judge a guy based on what he does in the huddle or on the sideline. I judge a guy based on what I see on the field. One the field the only thing this guy has led his team too was a lot of losses.

[/QUOTE]Dude improved the entire football program.[/QUOTE] I don't call one winning season changing a program around. Even the season he did have a winning record they were only 7-6. That's not impressive by any stretch of the imagination. If you want to see a guy who turned a program around you need to take a look at Colin Kaepernick. He led his team to a 13-1 season. That's what you call true leadership.

[/QUOTE]The fact that you can't even make that concession makes it pretty clear to me that you don't know what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]I concede that for his career he was sub .500 but again we're talking about a program that was on the downside when he got there and he brought them 2 back to back above .500 seasons.
[/QUOTE] Before you started lecturing me about what's factually incorrect you need to take a look at what you post. Jake Locker went 4-9 his first season, 0-12 his second season, 5-7 his second season, and 7-6 last season. He has never put together back to back winning seasons.

[/QUOTE]He rarely makes big throws? Really?



Accuracy is not the same as completion percentage.
Accuracy is about ball placement.
[/QUOTE] Did you actually watch Jake Locker play or did you just watch his highlights? This guy does not pass the ball well on a consistent basis. In the pocket (where all qbs pass the ball most of the time) he's not accurate. Through out his career you can point to only a couple of games where he actually played the qb position well. Most of the games he's played he misses open receivers or he panics and run when he doesn't have too. His low completion percentage is a direct result of how poorly his passed the football last season. Anyone who has actual watched Locker over the years know what I'm saying is true.


[/QUOTE]I understand that you might not understand or see why Locker is a top prospect, but lets not pretend that he's not okay?[/QUOTE] I understand why some scouts like Jake Locker. But if they really look at him resume they'll see that he's not all that good.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:23 PM   #439
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whoa that is one jumbled post, I think you need to getting the quoting in order. You need a (QUOTE) tag at the beginning of the quote before you can end with a (/Quote) tag

btw in my post I'm using parentheses instead of [] because otherwise it would quote what I wrote in-between.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:38 PM   #440
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To sum it I don't think Jake Locker is a good prospect. I think he has great skills but he just didn't show me anything in college. Now he might actually be pretty once he get into an offense that fit his skill set but I'm not sold on him.
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Old 04-25-2011, 08:55 PM   #441
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Jake Locker didn't make anyone around here better because his team sucked.His winning percentage is terrible and his individual numbers wasn't much better. Now you might have some scouts that think he's a good leader. However, I don't judge a guy based on what he does in the huddle or on the sideline. I judge a guy based on what I see on the field. One the field the only thing this guy has led his team too was a lot of losses.
That's not even close to logical my friend.

0-12 to 5-7 is huge and improvement, 5-7 to 7-5 is an improvement.

Over 2 years 0-12 to 7-5 and a bowl game victory is a huge improvement.

If you can't see or accept that you're simply being dishonest.

Win % is a team stats but its clear that he helped Washington improve.


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I don't call one winning season changing a program around. Even the season he did have a winning record they were only 7-6. That's not impressive by any stretch of the imagination.
Only to you my friend only to you.

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If you want to see a guy who turned a program around you need to take a look at Colin Kaepernick. He led his team to a 13-1 season. That's what you call true leadership.
Wait taking an 8-5 team to 13-1 is turning a program around? Really? 2009 7-6

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He has never put together back to back winning seasons.
You're correct.

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Did you actually watch Jake Locker play or did you just watch his highlights?
Not that it would matter to you but I've watched a bunch of Washington games and have even charted a game (every pass) and its posted somewhere in this forum.

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This guy does not pass the ball well on a consistent basis. In the pocket (where all qbs pass the ball most of the time) he's not accurate. Through out his career you can point to only a couple of games where he actually played the qb position well. Most of the games he's played he misses open receivers or he panics and run when he doesn't have too. His low completion percentage is a direct result of how poorly his passed the football last season. Anyone who has actual watched Locker over the years know what I'm saying is true.
If you've watched Washington play have you actually noticed the team the OL? The WRs?

I think you're problem is you have a hard time separating the QB from their team when it comes to evaluation.

I mention the comparison between Locker and Gabbert's stats if Locker's stats are terrible playing for a far worse team what are Gabbert's stats?
-Which btw is moot point because scouting is different from looking at stats.

The idea that Locker isn't accurate at all from the pocket simply isn't true even from scouts that don't like him.

They point to Locker being inconsistent and/or uncomfortable in the pocket.

But, the people teams/scouts that like Locker as prospect likely see a QB that isn't randomly inconsistent or uncomfortable in the pocket but a QB who like any QB is gonna have decreased accuracy and comfort due to the level of pass protection:



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No, I don't believe you do.
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:00 PM   #442
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some scouts didn't like Brady, Romo, Rodgers ETC..
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:02 PM   #443
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some scouts didn't like Brady, Romo, Rodgers ETC..
As Tebow reminded us so many times last year. It only takes one team.
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:21 PM   #444
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So who do you guys see falling like Aaron Rodgers did? My guess is Nick Fairley
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:23 PM   #445
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So who do you guys see falling like Aaron Rodgers did? My guess is Nick Fairley
DaQuan Bowers. Projected as a strong candidate to be the first pick after the Super Bowl now could possibly fall into the 20's.
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:44 PM   #446
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Yeah good pick also
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Old 04-26-2011, 06:45 PM   #447
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DaQuan Bowers. Projected as a strong candidate to be the first pick after the Super Bowl now could possibly fall into the 20's.
I would pick that same person. My next pick would be Mallet. I think he'll fall even further than people anticipate.
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Old 04-26-2011, 08:07 PM   #448
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The latest buzz around this region is Dallas looking to trade down around 20 ish and take Jimmy Smith and AZ is willing to trade out also unless AJ Green is there at 5. Houston is the most likely candidate for 5 to take P.P
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Old 04-28-2011, 10:07 PM   #449
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Well...I guess I had the trade with Jacksonville and Kerrigan selection right

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Something new, accounting for Quinn not being there (if he's not)

1. Carolina-Cam Newton
2. Denver-Marcel Darreus
3. Buffalo-Von Miller
4. Cincinnati-Julio Jones
5. Arizona-Blaine Gabbert
6. Cleveland-Robert Quinn
7. Houston-Patrick Peterson
8. Tennessee-Nick Fairley
9. St. Louis-AJ Green
10. Jacksonville-Jake Locker (we get their 16th overall and 49th overall)
11. San Francisco-Prince Amuamara
12. Minnesota-DaQuan Bowers
13. Detroit-Anthony Costanzo
14. Dallas-Tyron Smith
15. Miami-Mike Pouncey
16. San Diego-JJ Watt (we get their 18th and 89th overall)
17. New England-Cam Jordan
18. Washington-Ryan Kerrigan
19. NY Giants-Phil Taylor
20. Tampa Bay-Jimmy Smith
21. Kansas City-Aldon Smith
22. Indianapolis-Gabe Carimi
23. Philadelphia-Akeem Ayers
24. New Orleans-Justin Houston
25. Seattle-Andy Dalton
26. Baltimore-Corey Liuget
27. Atlanta-Torrey Smith
28 New England-Mason Foster
29. Minnesota-Ryan Mallet
30. Washington-Christian Ponder (Jets get our 41st and 89th (from SD) picks)

So we leave round 1 with Kerrigan and Ponder
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FU SS lol
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