Whose QB Should We Choose?

SmootSmack · 04-25-2011, 11:15 AM

Well, how about looking at it like this. Offensive coordinators clearly have input on what QBs are on the roster. Rex Grossman (and probably John Beck) aren't here without Kyle Shanahan. Todd Collins doesn't come here if not for Al Saunders.

But backups are not the same as starters, but why shouldn't Kyle's guy be starting from the get go?

Mattyk · 04-25-2011, 11:19 AM

Regardless of the Father/Son relationship, I don't see anything wrong with deferring to an OC when that coach has autonomy of the offense. Kyle is the one that has to work one on one with that QB so he should have a significant say.

I'm working off the assumption that this decision would be made with the two of them working closely together on it and any indecision on either's part would be minor. If there is a major difference in opinion, well that's a big problem regardless and not a good way to go about selecting a potential franchise QB.

Hog1 · 04-25-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, how about looking at it like this. Offensive coordinators clearly have input on what QBs are on the roster. Rex Grossman (and probably John Beck) aren't here without Kyle Shanahan. Todd Collins doesn't come here if not for Al Saunders.

But backups are not the same as starters, but why shouldn't Kyle's guy be starting from the get go?

If his guy should not be starting, how much confidence do you really have in KS as a coordinator?

KI Skins Fan · 04-25-2011, 11:52 AM

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;795173]Well, how about looking at it like this. Offensive coordinators clearly have input on what QBs are on the roster. Rex Grossman (and probably John Beck) aren't here without Kyle Shanahan. Todd Collins doesn't come here if not for Al Saunders.

But backups are not the same as starters, but why shouldn't Kyle's guy be starting from the get go?[/QUOTE]

Because Dan Snyder isn't paying Mike Shanahan the big bucks to let his relatively inexperienced OC (and son) make such an important decision for the franchise. You said it yourself: Mike Shanahan is ultimately reponsible.

Lotus · 04-25-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Of course, he'll make the decision the way you say he will do it. I agree with you completely on that. I was being a bit sarcastic.

This thread doesn't make any sense to me to begin with and then to see that about 75% of those who voted think that Kyle should make the decision I find to be amazingly naive.

This whole question only comes up because of the father/son relationship involved. Otherwise, nobody would ever think that Mike should defer to his OC in making this decision. But Mike won't defer to Kyle either because this is business; it's not about whether to go miniature golfing or to the movies (oops, more sarcasm).

Actually I think that with this decision the HC should be very open to the ideas of the OC, father/son or not. If the OC is not comfortable with the QB, the offense will not function optimally.

SFREDSKIN · 04-25-2011, 12:38 PM

Dalton baby!! The next Sammy Baugh (well at least they attended the same college).

CultBrennan59 · 04-25-2011, 05:18 PM

I feel like we're drafting a quarterback just because we feel like we have to; not want to.
Personally I wouldn't draft any of these QB's they all scare me.

Christian Ponder: Good QB, but can't throw the deep ball, is injury prone, and forces things into coverage

Cam Newton: Has upside, but is a one year wonder, doesn't know how to read defenses, is another Vince Young or Jason Campbell IMO (he tends to tuck it and run too much)

Blaine Gabbert: has the measurables you want in a QB, but comes from a spread offense which he put up ok numbers in this year, the same offense and competition Sam Bradford went against accept Sam put up 50 TD passes and Blaine put up 16.

Andy Dalton: Is a four year starter, but his arm isn't that strong, he wasn't accurate when he played in the senior bowl under center, comes from a spread offense and is a ginger.

Jake Locker: Is Not accurate at all. Really tends to over throw his receivers, can't read defenses that well either, did bad against good competition defenses.

Ryan Mallett: Has the arm of Peyton Manning or Dan Marino, but the attitude of a Ryan Leaf/Ben Roethlisberger. Also has the legs of a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning. If he was more mobile, and had less character concerns he'd be easily a top-10 pick (minus the cocaine)

Ricky Stanzi: Isn't mobile, forces a throw or two every now and then, is injury prone at times.

Colin Kaepernick: Doesn't have good accuracy, faced bad competition, and played in an offense which makes QB's look good CMP%-wise. Can't read defenses.

Greg McElroy: Doesn't have a strong arm and isn't mobile; also takes way too many sacks. But is probably the smartest QB in the draft, could be the next Matt Flynn.

Draft a QB next year skins and see how we do this year with Rex.

Next year we could get:
Kellen Moore (smart, highly accurate QB)
Andrew Luck (enough said, possibly the next Peyton Manning)
Matt Barkley (has a lot of potential)
Nick Foles (could be great playing out his senior year)
Landry Jones (...ok he's not that great, but is better than some of these QB's that could go anywhere from late first to third round)
EJ Manual (Big, a lot like Daunte Culpepper)
Case Keenum ( scouts are high on him cause of Kevin Kolb and him in the same school)
John Brantley, has the NFL arm and smarts

calia · 04-25-2011, 05:25 PM

This coming from "CultBrennan" -- what's Colt doing these days?

All kidding aside, this analysis seems to succintly pull together much of what I have been reading about these guys for the last number of weeks. I would prefer to we use our picks to develop our lines more. We have a lot of work to do there.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 04-25-2011, 05:58 PM

Kyle's choice. The O will be more productive running his offensive scheme with a bit more emphasis on the power run game. The 90s Broncos O with the heavy ZB/PA scheme is not as effective as it was back then.

MS needs to be a HC, not an OC/HC.

NC_Skins · 04-25-2011, 06:27 PM

It's a easy answer. You go with the QB that fits the system better. If this where Mike's system he ran in Denver, you might lean more towards Locker. However, this is Kyle's system which seems to need a accurate pocket passer with some mobility for bootlegs.

Dalton all the way. I also like Ponder as well and feel he's in the same type of mold as Dalton.

Terpfan76 · 04-25-2011, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I feel like we're drafting a quarterback just because we feel like we have to; not want to.
Personally I wouldn't draft any of these QB's they all scare me.

Christian Ponder: Good QB, but can't throw the deep ball, is injury prone, and forces things into coverage

Cam Newton: Has upside, but is a one year wonder, doesn't know how to read defenses, is another Vince Young or Jason Campbell IMO (he tends to tuck it and run too much)

Blaine Gabbert: has the measurables you want in a QB, but comes from a spread offense which he put up ok numbers in this year, the same offense and competition Sam Bradford went against accept Sam put up 50 TD passes and Blaine put up 16.

Andy Dalton: Is a four year starter, but his arm isn't that strong, he wasn't accurate when he played in the senior bowl under center, comes from a spread offense and is a ginger.

Jake Locker: Is Not accurate at all. Really tends to over throw his receivers, can't read defenses that well either, did bad against good competition defenses.

Ryan Mallett: Has the arm of Peyton Manning or Dan Marino, but the attitude of a Ryan Leaf/Ben Roethlisberger. Also has the legs of a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning. If he was more mobile, and had less character concerns he'd be easily a top-10 pick (minus the cocaine)

Ricky Stanzi: Isn't mobile, forces a throw or two every now and then, is injury prone at times.

Colin Kaepernick: Doesn't have good accuracy, faced bad competition, and played in an offense which makes QB's look good CMP%-wise. Can't read defenses.

Greg McElroy: Doesn't have a strong arm and isn't mobile; also takes way too many sacks. But is probably the smartest QB in the draft, could be the next Matt Flynn.

Draft a QB next year skins and see how we do this year with Rex.

Next year we could get:
Kellen Moore (smart, highly accurate QB)
Andrew Luck (enough said, possibly the next Peyton Manning)
Matt Barkley (has a lot of potential)
Nick Foles (could be great playing out his senior year)
Landry Jones (...ok he's not that great, but is better than some of these QB's that could go anywhere from late first to third round)
EJ Manual (Big, a lot like Daunte Culpepper)
Case Keenum ( scouts are high on him cause of Kevin Kolb and him in the same school)
John Brantley, has the NFL arm and smarts

Don't forget the possibility of Danny O'brien if he comes out next year, which I highly doubt, but you never know. He really looks to be the real deal, but we'll have a much better idea after this season depending on how he adjusts to Randy Edsall. He'd do well though to play at least until his rs-junior year.

Mattyk · 04-25-2011, 07:04 PM

I'd still love to know what Dalton's hair color has to do with all this??

Lotus · 04-25-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd still love to know what Dalton's hair color has to do with all this??

Isn't that ridiculous?

GMScud · 04-25-2011, 07:53 PM

Watching Jon Gruden's QB Camp right now- Ryan Mallett. He's got John Daly (golfer) in his corner in the film room with him and Gruden. Really? I mean, I know Daly quit drinking and is an Arkansas guy, but what's that all about? I get the intention- he's someone who can tell Mallett all about what booze/drugs can do to a mountain of natural ability, but I sure wouldn't bring the guy on TV with me.

Swarley · 04-25-2011, 08:14 PM

I'm pretty sure Gruden was the one who invited John Daly.

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04-25-2011, 11:15 AM	#46
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,101	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? Well, how about looking at it like this. Offensive coordinators clearly have input on what QBs are on the roster. Rex Grossman (and probably John Beck) aren't here without Kyle Shanahan. Todd Collins doesn't come here if not for Al Saunders. But backups are not the same as starters, but why shouldn't Kyle's guy be starting from the get go? __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-25-2011, 11:19 AM	#47
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,693	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? Regardless of the Father/Son relationship, I don't see anything wrong with deferring to an OC when that coach has autonomy of the offense. Kyle is the one that has to work one on one with that QB so he should have a significant say. I'm working off the assumption that this decision would be made with the two of them working closely together on it and any indecision on either's part would be minor. If there is a major difference in opinion, well that's a big problem regardless and not a good way to go about selecting a potential franchise QB. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-25-2011, 11:52 AM	#49
KI Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: MD Eastern Shore Posts: 1,297	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? [QUOTE=SmootSmack;795173]Well, how about looking at it like this. Offensive coordinators clearly have input on what QBs are on the roster. Rex Grossman (and probably John Beck) aren't here without Kyle Shanahan. Todd Collins doesn't come here if not for Al Saunders. But backups are not the same as starters, but why shouldn't Kyle's guy be starting from the get go?[/QUOTE] Because Dan Snyder isn't paying Mike Shanahan the big bucks to let his relatively inexperienced OC (and son) make such an important decision for the franchise. You said it yourself: Mike Shanahan is ultimately reponsible.

04-25-2011, 12:38 PM	#51
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,502	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? Dalton baby!! The next Sammy Baugh (well at least they attended the same college). __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

04-25-2011, 05:18 PM	#52
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,587	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? I feel like we're drafting a quarterback just because we feel like we have to; not want to. Personally I wouldn't draft any of these QB's they all scare me. Christian Ponder: Good QB, but can't throw the deep ball, is injury prone, and forces things into coverage Cam Newton: Has upside, but is a one year wonder, doesn't know how to read defenses, is another Vince Young or Jason Campbell IMO (he tends to tuck it and run too much) Blaine Gabbert: has the measurables you want in a QB, but comes from a spread offense which he put up ok numbers in this year, the same offense and competition Sam Bradford went against accept Sam put up 50 TD passes and Blaine put up 16. Andy Dalton: Is a four year starter, but his arm isn't that strong, he wasn't accurate when he played in the senior bowl under center, comes from a spread offense and is a ginger. Jake Locker: Is Not accurate at all. Really tends to over throw his receivers, can't read defenses that well either, did bad against good competition defenses. Ryan Mallett: Has the arm of Peyton Manning or Dan Marino, but the attitude of a Ryan Leaf/Ben Roethlisberger. Also has the legs of a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning. If he was more mobile, and had less character concerns he'd be easily a top-10 pick (minus the cocaine) Ricky Stanzi: Isn't mobile, forces a throw or two every now and then, is injury prone at times. Colin Kaepernick: Doesn't have good accuracy, faced bad competition, and played in an offense which makes QB's look good CMP%-wise. Can't read defenses. Greg McElroy: Doesn't have a strong arm and isn't mobile; also takes way too many sacks. But is probably the smartest QB in the draft, could be the next Matt Flynn. Draft a QB next year skins and see how we do this year with Rex. Next year we could get: Kellen Moore (smart, highly accurate QB) Andrew Luck (enough said, possibly the next Peyton Manning) Matt Barkley (has a lot of potential) Nick Foles (could be great playing out his senior year) Landry Jones (...ok he's not that great, but is better than some of these QB's that could go anywhere from late first to third round) EJ Manual (Big, a lot like Daunte Culpepper) Case Keenum ( scouts are high on him cause of Kevin Kolb and him in the same school) John Brantley, has the NFL arm and smarts __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

04-25-2011, 05:25 PM	#53
calia Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 44 Posts: 390	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? This coming from "CultBrennan" -- what's Colt doing these days? All kidding aside, this analysis seems to succintly pull together much of what I have been reading about these guys for the last number of weeks. I would prefer to we use our picks to develop our lines more. We have a lot of work to do there.

04-25-2011, 05:58 PM	#54
Slingin Sammy 33 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 4,202	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? Kyle's choice. The O will be more productive running his offensive scheme with a bit more emphasis on the power run game. The 90s Broncos O with the heavy ZB/PA scheme is not as effective as it was back then. MS needs to be a HC, not an OC/HC. __________________ ...[If] an angel fairy came down and said, '[You can have anything]....you would like to own,' I wouldn't be surprised if you said a football club and particularly the Washington Redskins.'' — Jack Kent Cooke, 1996.

04-25-2011, 06:27 PM	#55
NC_Skins Franchise Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 8,283	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? It's a easy answer. You go with the QB that fits the system better. If this where Mike's system he ran in Denver, you might lean more towards Locker. However, this is Kyle's system which seems to need a accurate pocket passer with some mobility for bootlegs. Dalton all the way. I also like Ponder as well and feel he's in the same type of mold as Dalton.

04-25-2011, 07:04 PM	#57
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,693	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? I'd still love to know what Dalton's hair color has to do with all this?? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-25-2011, 07:53 PM	#59
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Age: 34 Posts: 12,623	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? Watching Jon Gruden's QB Camp right now- Ryan Mallett. He's got John Daly (golfer) in his corner in the film room with him and Gruden. Really? I mean, I know Daly quit drinking and is an Arkansas guy, but what's that all about? I get the intention- he's someone who can tell Mallett all about what booze/drugs can do to a mountain of natural ability, but I sure wouldn't bring the guy on TV with me. __________________ Insert witty signature here

04-25-2011, 08:14 PM	#60
Swarley The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 24 Posts: 1,035	Re: Whose QB Should We Choose? I'm pretty sure Gruden was the one who invited John Daly. __________________ doing it all in the spirit of the salary cap!

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