How did other teams do?

SmootSmack · 04-29-2011, 01:12 PM

Saints and Browns did well

Falcons gave up too much for a guy that wasn't even their top choice

Monkeydad · 04-29-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Falcons messed up big. I'm sorry but a second receiver might help you out during the regular season but during the postseason it's not going to overcome a defense that has been exposed.

With what they gave up, Jones would have to get on the Larry Fitzgerald level to be worth what was traded for him. And it's sad to. By no means is he a bad player, he has a great work ethic, he's tough, played through injury (ran a 4.39 with a foot that need surgery), also had the production worthy of a top 10 draft pick. He's like an offensive lineman playing receiver.

I feel bad for him. Unless he's posting 1,300 yard seasons he will have fallen short of expectations.

BUT, they were 13-3. He could be the final piece they need to win it all. He really does make their offense scary.

Speaking of scary...Detroit's defense.

I think the winner is the Saints though, TWO solid picks. Holmgren got his team an amazing deal too.

Dirtbag59 · 04-29-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Also how about Tenn and Minn reaching??? It just goes to show how desperate teams are for good QB play.

I don't know about Minnesota, but I think Chris Palmer (of David Carr fame) in Tenneesee looked back on his time in Houston and thought, "you know what, either way I'm going to need a QB that can outrun people and not get sacked every 2 seconds and we're already getting rid of Vince, so yeah lets get Locker."

GTripp0012 · 04-29-2011, 01:14 PM

The Panthers are trying to take the 15% chance rope out of the NFC cellar and ignoring the 85% probability that Marty Hurney is gone in two years anyway as well as the 100% chance that he should have already been fired after the Delhomme extension.

Monkeydad · 04-29-2011, 01:17 PM

Claussen can go back to his college #7, unless the Panthers have some kind of unofficial Steve Beuerlein number retirement.

Terpfan76 · 04-29-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If those two play nice together it could be a long game for opposing qbs, but I can see a situation where they end up feeding the negatives and causing an implosion. In this case I think the chemistry will outweigh the individual talents, I just am not sure if it will be a positive or a negative. (an example is in a negative competitive mode they could become a personal foul tandem of epic scale, I don't think Suh needs much prodding to put him over that AH - head stomping line)

What are you talking about? OK, Fairley looks like he might get dirty from time to time, personally, I don't mind it that much from a trench warrior, but Suh? I have no idea where you're getting that from.
In a brief search, I saw a personal foul vs Cutler and Delhomme. Neither were terrible, but the one against Cutler was hardly terrible. Helhomme's was legit though, but not dangerous.

CRedskinsRule · 04-29-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Nah, just because AH and Suh have the same coach doesn't mean they necessarily have the same personality.

have you watched Suh. Fierceness, but right on the edge of overkill especially the way the league protects the QB. (i wasn't trying to compare Suh to AH, just using that as an identifiable line)

GMScud · 04-29-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I want to lambast the Falcons for this, but they are actually a pretty good fit for Jones. Of all the places he could have landed, their system (with White established as the no. 1) is one of the few places where he will avoid appearing as a bust.

They gave up WAY, WAY too much for the production they will get. It wasn't at all a good move. But if any other team had made the same move, there would be a clock counting down to the firing of their front office. With Dimitroff, it's an aggressive move that probably hurts the team, but actually makes some sense for them.

Not only did they give up waaaaaay too much for a boom or bust kind of position like WR, all their fans are thinking about the 300 points that Aaron Rogers put up on them in the playoffs. They didn't think defense, they already have a stud WR, and they mortgaged off basically two drafts for one guy.

I like Julio Jones a lot, but this was an epic fail IMO. Are the five draft picks they gave worth more than the difference of being patient, staying put, and selecting a guy like Jonathan Baldwin?

CRedskinsRule · 04-29-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Terpfan76

What are you talking about? OK, Fairley looks like he might get dirty from time to time, personally, I don't mind it that much from a trench warrior, but Suh? I have no idea where you're getting that from.
In a brief search, I saw a personal foul vs Cutler and Delhomme. Neither were terrible, but the one against Cutler was hardly terrible. Helhomme's was legit though, but not dangerous.

I believe it was preseason where Suh had a particularly violent one. I am just throwing out one possibility. It certainly could be the wrong one.

Terpfan76 · 04-29-2011, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I believe it was preseason where Suh had a particularly violent one. I am just throwing out one possibility. It certainly could be the wrong one.

This is football, a violent game. It's not like he's spiking people or taking out knees. The guy hits hard and takes no prisoners. We could use players like that on our team.

GTripp0012 · 04-29-2011, 01:26 PM

How about Buffalo's defensive line? Even Aaron Maybin might be able to get a sack playing with Kyle Williams and Marcell Dareus.

I'll admit: not nearly as scary as Suh, Fairley, and Vanden Bosch. But no one is talking about the Bills as a team that could have 5 wins by Halloween. And thats...an oversight.

Dirtbag59 · 04-29-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I believe it was preseason where Suh had a particularly violent one. I am just throwing out one possibility. It certainly could be the wrong one.

Suh is more reckless dirty. Not "here let me hit you in the nuts" dirty. Or better yet "here let me accidently kick you in the head after your helmet falls off" dirty. His all out style has led to a few questionable hits.

Lotus · 04-29-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkeydad

BUT, they were 13-3. He could be the final piece they need to win it all. He really does make their offense scary.

Speaking of scary...Detroit's defense.

I think the winner is the Saints though, TWO solid picks. Holmgren got his team an amazing deal too.

I agree, and I am not picking on you or them. But it is easy to look good when you have mortgaged next year's first round.

Monkeydad · 04-29-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I believe it was preseason where Suh had a particularly violent one. I am just throwing out one possibility. It certainly could be the wrong one.

I do remember some dirty plays from Suh last season. He is a beast, but he does play dirty sometimes; he likes to go for heads.

Lotus · 04-29-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I just dont understand the praise being heaped on the Eagles and Giants this morning. The Giants went BPA and ended up taking a non-impact player at a premium position that wasn't a need. Amukamara is a no. 2 corner on that team who should start for them between 2012 and 2019. Hardly a cause for a party.

And the Eagles picked a 26 year old interior lineman. Probably the worst pick of the round and out of character for the Eagles.

I disagree about the Giants. I think that they need better play from, and depth within, their corner ranks. And while Amukamara likely won't be much of a playmaker, he should be a very solid corner. I think getting the second best corner in the draft at #19 is good value.

As for the Iggles, they struck by combining value with need. I grant that his age would have made him less attractive to me. But at least for several years they have shored up a weakness.

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GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: How did other teams do? How about Buffalo's defensive line? Even Aaron Maybin might be able to get a sack playing with Kyle Williams and Marcell Dareus. I'll admit: not nearly as scary as Suh, Fairley, and Vanden Bosch. But no one is talking about the Bills as a team that could have 5 wins by Halloween. And thats...an oversight. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: How did other teams do? The Panthers are trying to take the 15% chance rope out of the NFC cellar and ignoring the 85% probability that Marty Hurney is gone in two years anyway as well as the 100% chance that he should have already been fired after the Delhomme extension. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

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