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Old 04-29-2011, 01:33 PM   #31
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Suh is more reckless dirty. Not "here let me hit you in the nuts" dirty. Or better yet "here let me accidently kick you in the head after your helmet falls off" dirty. His all out style has led to a few questionable hits.
That's the one I was thinking of, and yes I don't think he was a dirty player -although it looked like he could have ripped Delhomme's head off the way he wrapped his arms around the helmet.
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Old 04-29-2011, 01:35 PM   #32
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I disagree about the Giants. I think that they need better play from, and depth within, their corner ranks. And while Amukamara likely won't be much of a playmaker, he should be a very solid corner. I think getting the second best corner in the draft at #19 is good value.

As for the Iggles, they struck by combining value with need. I grant that his age would have made him less attractive to me. But at least for several years they have shored up a weakness.
Fair points. I just want to point out that in a year where the BPA strategy was paying higher than ever dividends to all teams that were patient and used it, the Giants drafted Prince Amukamara maybe 6 or 7 spots after his projected slot. In an other year, I don't know if Prince is a top 20 player. But this year, he unquestionably was, so I'll give the Giants props for their patience, if nothing else.
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Old 04-29-2011, 01:35 PM   #33
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Did he get fined for that?
He should have!
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Did he get fined for that?
He should have!
$7,500 for the Delhomme hit, $15,000 for the Cutler hit.
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I disagree about the Giants. I think that they need better play from, and depth within, their corner ranks. And while Amukamara likely won't be much of a playmaker, he should be a very solid corner. I think getting the second best corner in the draft at #19 is good value.

As for the Iggles, they struck by combining value with need. I grant that his age would have made him less attractive to me. But at least for several years they have shored up a weakness.
The Giants should have gone o-line, they should've learned from the mistakes that we and the Cowboys made by letting our o-line get old. Oh well, more sacks for Rak and Superman
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The Giants should have gone o-line, they should've learned from the mistakes that we and the Cowboys made by letting our o-line get old. Oh well, more sacks for Rak and Superman
I definitely understand your argument and Tripp's arguments and they are good ones. But it still seems to me that the Giants did well in terms of maximizing value.

The Iggles are a weaker argument but they still at least tried to balance value and need well.
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That's the one I was thinking of, and yes I don't think he was a dirty player -although it looked like he could have ripped Delhomme's head off the way he wrapped his arms around the helmet.

The deal with AH foot stomp is that it was really dirty. He basically had a temper tantrum, removed the player's helmet, and then stomped the guy's after the play was over. It was one of those unique events. Suh's hits, while indeed potentially dangerous, does not come anything close to that. If Suh is going to do something on similar scale, then he must be in a really foul mood to do so, and I doubt it since having a temper close to AH probably is not not that common.
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The call against Suh vs Cutler wasn't as bad is it's made out to be. Suh pushed him down from behind. It just looked worse because Suh is a bad mutha fu....
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Old 04-29-2011, 02:15 PM   #41
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The Good
Saints - two impact starters (yes I know they traded next year's #1) but it's likley to be a late #1 and both Jordan and Ingram fill major needs.

Detroit - well done, scary interior DL

Arizona - Peterson is a more physical version of Deion Sanders, game changer in two phases of the game.

Texans - Watt fills a big need and should help free up Mario Williams

Patriots - Solder brings needed help to either tackle spot, and the Pats also pick up a 1st rounder in 2012 for dropping 28 spots.

Colts - Castonzo, see above

Chiefs - Baldwin, big physical receiver to compliment and free up Bowe. Big time Red Zone threat.

Us - Trade down and pick up a 2nd, still fill a major need with a top shelf player.

The Bad
Atlanta - Julio Jones nice WR, but needs on D were much higher and top shelf DEs and OLBs were there for the pickin'

Titans - Locker at 8......no way.

Ravens/Bears - ha, ha, idiots.

The Ugly
Vikings - Ponder at # 12 ????? Folks will be looking for new jobs after this one.

Panthers - Newton......I'll echo the same thing many said yesterday before the draft. The Panthers have MANY needs and two QBs drafted last year, plus Matt Moore. You could put Peyton Manning in Carolina and they would still struggle. Why take such a huge risk on Newton with all his red flags and liabilities in the pass game? The chance of Newton succeeeding and becoming a top tier QB in the NFL is small. They could've taken Peterson to bring immediate help at CB and on specials, Von Miller, Dareus, etc. Rivera put his job on the line with this pick IMO and unfortunately for him this will likely send him back to being a DC rather than HC.

Falcons - trade for Jones......a 1st, a 2nd and two 4ths ???? No way, very bad move by the Falcons. They didn't get massacred by GB in their own house because of a lack of a second playmaking WR.
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Old 04-29-2011, 02:41 PM   #42
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SS33, why hating on Ravens pick? I thought it was decent and addressed their needs.
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Old 04-29-2011, 02:42 PM   #43
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Slingin Sammy - While I agree the Falcons paid WAY to much to move up and get Jones and Ponder was a big reach for the Vikings, the Vikes could have moved down a little and picked up more picks and still have gotten Ponder. However these are two talented teams that really ARE one or two players away from the promise-land.
Ponder played in the same west coast offensive system in college that the Vikings use. Ponder fits that system perfectly, there is a small learning curve compared to the other QB's in this draft. Plus the Viking are loaded with talent on both sides of the ball and that will help get Ponder on the field sooner than most. If Ponder's play on the field pans out it will be seen as a big win.
The Falcons are stupid to give up that much. But if Jones explodes onto the scene next year and the Falcons go deep into the playoff it might be seen as a win as well.

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Loved what the Saints did.

Big reaches for the Vikes and Titans. ATL gave up way too much for JJ. I like Watkins but he's going to be 27 during the season and Philly had more pressing needs on D.
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SS33, why hating on Ravens pick? I thought it was decent and addressed their needs.
I dont think he's hating on the pick as much as the epic f up with their trade they were supposed (or made depending on who you ask) with the Bears.
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