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Old 04-30-2011, 09:57 PM   #736
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Re: 2011 NFL Draft: Rounds 4-7

I liked the draft overall with the exception of addressing the offensive line, particularly finding a replacement for Rabach.
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Old 04-30-2011, 10:00 PM   #737
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Shanny must either be satisfied with the quality of the OL or be getting ready to move some veterans in because he drafted a bunch of WRs and RBs but nobody really for the offensive trenches
Helu could be a starter day 1, 4.4 speed and is a great fit for our system.. I still think ATV will be the guy but don't rule it out
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Old 04-30-2011, 10:26 PM   #738
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I am kind of disappointed that only one O-Lineman was drafted out of all the picks we had.
OL must become a major priority once free agency starts.
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Old 04-30-2011, 10:32 PM   #739
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OL must become a major priority once free agency starts.


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Old 04-30-2011, 10:38 PM   #740
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Re: 2011 NFL Draft: Rounds 4-7

Just terrific. I love everything about this draft. This is the competition you want between four young WRs if you include Austin.

Same goes for RBs, although I've seen Royster play a significant amount of games and I'd be shocked if he ends up on the final roster, but oh well.

Kerrigan will be a stud, there's just no way you can argue that unless your name is Jamie Dukes and you're half retarded.

Jenkins is a bonus, we weren't expecting to be able to pick up so many key players later in the draft and we still managed to get a guy who was rising later in the draft year. I see Jenkins being a very solid 3-4 DE. Not as good as Carriker, but certainly acceptable.
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Old 04-30-2011, 10:39 PM   #741
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Well I really hope they address the interior offensive line in FA. I really want Rabach gone, good dude but I'm tired of seeing get trucked over by Jay Ratliff
I have read a time or two that the SKins are expected to look to FA for experienced O-line help as quality Lineman are expected to be available and the Skins are in good shape cash-wise. AND it appears from their picks over the last couple of days that it may be true.
ASS-KICKIN' draft for the Skins. I have forgotten what it is like to be interested in the draft....as we usually have so few picks.
We filled some needs with quality guys that should be immediate starters, and got some guys that can help out in relief or at least create excellent competition in camp.
Very excited about the upcoming season. We got much younger, and hopefully found a diamond or two in the rough in later rounds as well!
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Oh and BIG move choosing so many team leader and character guys. Blue collar workman players. The Pats/Steelers/Colts...etc have done ok with that philosophy.
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^ agree my only concern is QB, who's the guy?!
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^ agree my only concern is QB, who's the guy?!
I wish I knew! I have to trust in the FO and Shanny at his point. I have thought in my mind all along that I have no problem with Team Building this year shoreing up the many area's that are depleted (and get by with whover the best we can get at QB....for now) and working in earnest in 2012 for the francise man.
Perhaps that is what they are doing?
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.... BTW... Neild...

30 reps of 225lbs at the combine... WAAYYY... WAAAYYYY stronger than Jenkins

Neild is a unique player, possessed with the exact type of work ethic and attitude needed to play a unique position. Maintaining that attitude may have him soon challenging for the most important position in the 3-4 defense.

In this age of me first and glory, this guy finds his glory through making others better. We can never have enough of those type players.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:13 PM   #745
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Oh and BIG move choosing so many team leader and character guys. Blue collar workman players. The Pats/Steelers/Colts...etc have done ok with that philosophy.
For th most part, OK? But...

Niles Paul: Niles Paul's incident discouraging - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

and Maurice Hurt: Report: former Gators OL Maurice Hurt failed drug test at NFL combine - Orlando Sentinel

Not to argue, but just saying... they aren't all character guys.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:19 PM   #746
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I wish I knew! I have to trust in the FO and Shanny at his point. I have thought in my mind all along that I have no problem with Team Building this year shoreing up the many area's that are depleted (and get by with whover the best we can get at QB....for now) and working in earnest in 2012 for the francise man.
Perhaps that is what they are doing?
I think the most encouraging thing about this entire draft is the fact that they passed on taking a QB. We have both Shanahans, two guys who build offenses and know the importance of a QB to running that offense, and yet they passed on all the QB's. I think both of them recognized that every single QB in this draft was severely overrated due to the lack of talent, and that in addition to being overrated teams would over reach for them. That combined with the fact that the QB pool for next year looks to be much, much better and they obviously decided that they would wait for next year and get their guy instead of wasting a pick that we obviously need in other places on a QB that wasn't really going to be their guy.
Despite how much I love what we did in this years draft, I think next year we give up whatever we have to to get Andrew Luck. A lot of mediocre teams took a QB this year, and with any luck one of them will be picking first and Luck will be ours for the taking. When you have a guy that has the talent, size, and smarts to be the next great QB you give up what you have to, to go get him.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:23 PM   #747
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For th most part, OK? But...

Niles Paul: Niles Paul's incident discouraging - Big 12 Blog - ESPN

and Maurice Hurt: Report: former Gators OL Maurice Hurt failed drug test at NFL combine - Orlando Sentinel

Not to argue, but just saying... they aren't all character guys.
Perhaps I generalized a bit to much.....
Anyway, as others have pointed out, I think it represents...and reinforces Shanny's philosophical change in the teams attitude of TEAM first and I like it. I also think they are tired of dealing with assholes and prima donnas.....who can blame them. So am I!
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Neild is a run-stopping defensive tackle who could contribute in a defensive line rotation at the next level. He is stout with a strong lower half and is very difficult to move out of running lanes. He also has very active hands to keep blockers from getting inside and flashes the lateral range to make plays outside of the tackle box. However, he lacks explosion off the line and is very raw as a pass rusher. Neild possesses natural leverage and is an asset against the run and he will likely be a middle round pick.
They rave about this guy in the Mountain state. My wife is from Inwood, WV and my brother-in-law lives in Martinsburg and sometimes get tickets to Mountaineers games. Had the privledge of watching him play on more than one ocasion. Didn't expect him to be drafted in the first three rounds but, didn't expect him to drop as far as he did either.
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:37 PM   #749
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Glad you just read the positives..you have to click around genius its there under analysis
We both saw what you said - we were just highlighting other information which was contradicting your naysaying attitude. As I said earlier, the statement you referred to was clearly a word error because everything else in the report was made him out to be a NT.

"Strengths: Neild is tall enough with a thick lower half. Plays with good leverage and clogs up running lanes. Delivers a powerful initial punch and possesses very heavy active hands to shed blocks. Flashes a powerful bull rush. High effort kid that fights to the whistle and finishes plays.

Weaknesses: Not the quickest kid off the ball and poor foot speed prevents him from making plays in the backfield. Will not be able to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme. Lacks a repertoire of pass rushing counter moves and does not have a closing burst to get after the quarterback. Will not make tackles in space. "

He is a space eater who clogs the middle ... So he isn't a quick penetrator, we don't need him to penetrate, chase down plays or "make plays in space". In this scheme, clearly Rak and Kerrigan are there for the sacks not the NT.

Tell me "genius", why can't he play NT in the NFL? What else in the analysis supports that conclusion? Or is your entire analysis/conclusion based on that one sentence?
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I really believe that the analysis report should have said he won't be a penetrating NT in a 3-4. I think that's ok, because we want a guy who stuffs the middle and allows our LB's (ie Orakpo) to utilize their speed and power.

Maybe that line just wasn't clear enough, but to take it as a repudiation of everything else written, or as a rationale to downgrade the pick seems to me to reflect the type of snap to judgement thinking that the Skins under Snyder/Cerrato showed. Don't look at a guy cuz analysts don't see elite disciplines. This is a pick that when you look deeper, you find a team leader, a dedicated worker, and a guy who should fit our team, not the all-madden team.
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