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Old 05-05-2011, 06:15 PM   #151
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Just as I suspected. So for all you guys saying that the Redskins should have tried for more remember this. The Cowboys got to greedy and had to reach 7 picks early for a Right Tackle instead of picking up an extra second.
This makes me like the trade even more
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Old 05-08-2011, 03:17 AM   #152
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Thought I would share this video if it's not posted I found..


Has most of our picks and their highlights.. Something noticed in the video's is Helu is a freaking BURNER... Guy hits the corner and is GONE!!! I could see him starting by the start of the season, and R-ster or Torain at 2nd string.

Hank will be our #1 soon.. He's a beast.
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Old 05-08-2011, 09:51 AM   #153
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I give this draft an A. Kerrigan, Jenkins, Hankerson and either Royster or Helu should start right away. Now we need 2 more like this one and we're on our way.
Speaking of Hankerson....this interview with him on 106.7 the fan suggests he's a player that will be playing with a chip on his shoulder. I admire confidence when it's not borderline arrogance.

Leonard Hankerson Says He Was Best Wide Receiver In 2011 NFL Draft - Half Smokes - SB Nation DC
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I wonder, is this the first time Shanahan has gone hungry for captains in the draft? Or did something similar happen in one of his Broncos drafts?
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:12 AM   #155
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I wonder, is this the first time Shanahan has gone hungry for captains in the draft? Or did something similar happen in one of his Broncos drafts?
The questions begs....was his draft board set up that way....did he follow his board, or was it just coincidence? Whatever his intention was, I think one could safely conclude it became apparent he was looking for a particular type of player.
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:34 AM   #156
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I think he did it just to prove Willie Parker wrong.
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I think he did it just to prove Willie Parker wrong.
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Or prove him right. It's easier to bring in new guys that don't need much attitude change than to change guys who are set in their own ways. People are stubborn fellows, and being a counselor and therapist is not one of Mike Shanahan's strong points, nor does he really have the time for it even if he were good at those things.

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Dirtbag's Final Offseason Draft Grades

R1P17 - Ryan Kerrigan - OLB - Purdue - High motor player that can hold up at the POA. Also capable of getting to the QB and could easily be the best OLB in this class, at the very least though he's a suitable compliment to Orakpo Grade A

R2P41 - Jarvis Jenkins - DE - Clemson - Space eater that will keep blockers off linebackers and no longer allow teams to run away from Carriker. If he gets better in the weight room he could easily be a steal but the bottom line is he'll only really be counted on for dirty work. Grade B

R3P15 - Leonard Hankerson - WR - Miami - Thank St. Louis for passing him up one pick earlier. Nothing to dislike here. Receiver is a huge need and Hankerson has the physial tools, production, and intangibles. Grade A+

R4P8 - Roy Helu Jr - RB - Nebraska - Productive player with game breaking speed in the Shanahan system. Grade A

R5P15 - Dejon Gomes - Everything - Nebraska - What is he? Is he an in the box safety? A nickel back? Speedy OLB? A special teams player? At the very least Gomes is a football player that will work hard and probably make this team. On the other hand we already had similar players on our roster and more useful players were still on the board. Grade down the road has potential to be a lot higher Grade C

R5P24 - Niles Paul - WR - Nebraska - Depends on how you look at Paul. On one hand he has first round talent but on the other hand his production is that of a...well 5th round pick if that. The problems with alcohol don't sound encouraging either. Either way the main point of view I take on this pick is the next receiver the Redskins selected is much more promising and the only thing keeping me from giving this pick a D is Paul's first round ability. Interesting fact, Paul is the Nephew of former Packers Running Back Ahman Green Grade C-

R6P12 - Evan Royster - RB - Penn State - Royster has a great combination of vision and production. Shanahan probably oversold when he compared him to T. Davis but in Washington Royster has a real chance to succeed. Grade B+

R6P13 - Alderick Robinson - WR - SMU - Robinson is a very good pick. Though he doesn't get behind defenses in spite of his speed he's still a quality route runner that catches the ball in the first window (See end of post for explanation). He has the type of production that would easily have justified a 3rd round pick. Has great potential working out of the slot and could easily find himself competing with Terrance Austin for the role of the next Eddie Royal. Grade A-

R7P10 - Brandyn Thompson - CB - Boise State - uhhh Corner. Grade F-. In all seriousness though Thompson is a decent physical corner with the ability to pull in Int's. However his hips aren't very fluid according to reports and in general good Corners seem to fall less in drafts then any other position. Unlike most corners though he's willing and able to play the run. Grade D+

R7P14 Maurice Hurt - OG - Florida - Zone capable Guard with decent versatility. Played LG, RG, and RT at Florida however height will limit him to Guard at the next level. Durability problems might have led to his drop. At the very least he's another developmental lineman to flow down the pipeline. Grade B-

R7P21 - Markus White - OLB - Florida State - Very raw but physically gifted player. He also comes with decent production racking up 8 sacks last year. He has durability concerns especially with a history of seizures however White also possesses a high ceiling and could find himself as a situational pass rusher and go to backup a year or two down the line. Grade B-

R7P50 - Christopher Neild - NT - West Virginia - Hard worker with great bulk for a 320 pounder. Loves football and relishes taking on and working through double teams. At the very least will be a rotation player for years, but could also become a starter one day. Grade A-

*Receiver Windows - A concept explained to me by Cris Carter who ironically coached Leonard Hankerson in High School. 1st window is where the best receivers catch the ball with their hands extended away from their body. 2nd window is right in front of the face mask or with the body. 3rd window is where players catch the ball after it passes them away from their field of vision. The higher the window the higher the chance of a receiver causing tip drill Int's.

**All grades are arbitrary but are based on a combination of need, value, floor, ceiling, ability to make the team, and the ability to contribute.
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Is it to early to start my "Landry Jones" in 2012 chant?
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:49 AM   #160
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Is it to early to start my "Landry Jones" in 2012 chant?
Yes and I'll tell you why. Assuming we're in position to select Jones after season ends with an early pick we'll end up getting shafted. First the "next years class will be better" lines will be rattling off left and right calling you an idiot for wanting Jones because 2013 will land us a better QB. Then about a week or two before the draft some team picking ahead of us will fall in love with him and select him (See: Bradford, Sam and Locker, Jake).
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Is it to early to start my "Landry Jones" in 2012 chant?
We won't get Jones. Our "smarter" plan is to win no games this year so that we can choose Luck. :cheeky-sm
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R1P17 - Ryan Kerrigan - OLB - Purdue - High motor player that can hold up at the POA. Also capable of getting to the QB and could easily be the best OLB in this class, at the very least though he's a suitable compliment to Orakpo Grade A

R2P41 - Jarvis Jenkins - DE - Clemson - Space eater that will keep blockers off linebackers and no longer allow teams to run away from Carriker. If he gets better in the weight room he could easily be a steal but the bottom line is he'll only really be counted on for dirty work. Grade B

R3P15 - Leonard Hankerson - WR - Miami - Thank St. Louis for passing him up one pick earlier. Nothing to dislike here. Receiver is a huge need and Hankerson has the physial tools, production, and intangibles. Grade A+

R4P8 - Roy Helu Jr - RB - Nebraska - Productive player with game breaking speed in the Shanahan system. Grade A

R5P15 - Dejon Gomes - Everything - Nebraska - What is he? Is he an in the box safety? A nickel back? Speedy OLB? A special teams player? At the very least Gomes is a football player that will work hard and probably make this team. On the other hand we already had similar players on our roster and more useful players were still on the board. Grade down the road has potential to be a lot higher Grade C

R5P24 - Niles Paul - WR - Nebraska - Depends on how you look at Paul. On one hand he has first round talent but on the other hand his production is that of a...well 5th round pick if that. The problems with alcohol don't sound encouraging either. Either way the main point of view I take on this pick is the next receiver the Redskins selected is much more promising and the only thing keeping me from giving this pick a D is Paul's first round ability. Interesting fact, Paul is the Nephew of former Packers Running Back Ahman Green Grade C-

R6P12 - Evan Royster - RB - Penn State - Royster has a great combination of vision and production. Shanahan probably oversold when he compared him to T. Davis but in Washington Royster has a real chance to succeed. Grade B+

R6P13 - Alderick Robinson - WR - SMU - Robinson is a very good pick. Though he doesn't get behind defenses in spite of his speed he's still a quality route runner that catches the ball in the first window (See end of post for explanation). He has the type of production that would easily have justified a 3rd round pick. Has great potential working out of the slot and could easily find himself competing with Terrance Austin for the role of the next Eddie Royal. Grade A-

R7P10 - Brandyn Thompson - CB - Boise State - uhhh Corner. Grade F-. In all seriousness though Thompson is a decent physical corner with the ability to pull in Int's. However his hips aren't very fluid according to reports and in general good Corners seem to fall less in drafts then any other position. Unlike most corners though he's willing and able to play the run. Grade D+

R7P14 Maurice Hurt - OG - Florida - Zone capable Guard with decent versatility. Played LG, RG, and RT at Florida however height will limit him to Guard at the next level. Durability problems might have led to his drop. At the very least he's another developmental lineman to flow down the pipeline. Grade B-

R7P21 - Markus White - OLB - Florida State - Very raw but physically gifted player. He also comes with decent production racking up 8 sacks last year. He has durability concerns especially with a history of seizures however White also possesses a high ceiling and could find himself as a situational pass rusher and go to backup a year or two down the line. Grade B-

R7P50 - Christopher Neild - NT - West Virginia - Hard worker with great bulk for a 320 pounder. Loves football and relishes taking on and working through double teams. At the very least will be a rotation player for years, but could also become a starter one day. Grade A-

*Receiver Windows - A concept explained to me by Cris Carter who ironically coached Leonard Hankerson in High School. 1st window is where the best receivers catch the ball with their hands extended away from their body. 2nd window is right in front of the face mask or with the body. 3rd window is where players catch the ball after it passes them away from their field of vision. The higher the window the higher the chance of a receiver causing tip drill Int's.

**All grades are arbitrary but are based on a combination of need, value, floor, ceiling, ability to make the team, and the ability to contribute.
You gave a very positive review. I'm coming around on this draft, at first I was skeptical of not taking a QB & also taking Jenkins in the 2nd. Admittedly though, I didn't know much about Jenkins beforehand.

I think Niles Paul has some similarities to Miles Austin, who was undrafted. I like his size & YAC potential. The Hankerson pick was a home run, but the other pick that got my attention was Markus White. Watched a bit of him & I see him as a guy that could develop into a solid OLB. Has the athleticism to make the transition.

I like the RB picks if for no other reason they are great value & should be able to make the team. Don't care if we have a feature back, but will be nice if Royster develops as the between the tackles guy & Helu spells him for a change of pace. Or vice-versa w/Helu starting. That job is wide open at this point.
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You gave a very positive review. I'm coming around on this draft, at first I was skeptical of not taking a QB & also taking Jenkins in the 2nd. Admittedly though, I didn't know much about Jenkins beforehand.

I think Niles Paul has some similarities to Miles Austin, who was undrafted. I like his size & YAC potential. The Hankerson pick was a home run, but the other pick that got my attention was Markus White. Watched a bit of him & I see him as a guy that could develop into a solid OLB. Has the athleticism to make the transition.

I like the RB picks if for no other reason they are great value & should be able to make the team. Don't care if we have a feature back, but will be nice if Royster develops as the between the tackles guy & Helu spells him for a change of pace. Or vice-versa w/Helu starting. That job is wide open at this point.
The funny thing about Hankerson is how similar his situation is to when the Redskins drafted Devin Thomas. Just like in 2008 the Rams were picking right before us and just like 2008 both the Skins and Rams needed a receiver. And just like 08 the Rams took the small school guy instead of the guy we wanted to pick. Of course this time around the Rams got a more reasonable prospect with Austin Pettis but it's funny the similarities. I just hope the end result is different and between Hankerson's attitude and Shanahan's coaching I feel like we're putting this young man in a position to succeed.
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The funny thing about Hankerson is how similar his situation is to when the Redskins drafted Devin Thomas. Just like in 2008 the Rams were picking right before us and just like 2008 both the Skins and Rams needed a receiver. And just like 08 the Rams took the small school guy instead of the guy we wanted to pick. Of course this time around the Rams got a more reasonable prospect with Austin Pettis but it's funny the similarities. I just hope the end result is different and between Hankerson's attitude and Shanahan's coaching I feel like we're putting this young man in a position to succeed.
Hank has some major differences from Thomas. Breaking Michael Irvin's record with whoever their QB is, hands that are huge, 4 years experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-year one-trick pony who could only comprehend a go route even AFTER an attitude change.
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Hank has some major differences from Thomas. Breaking Michael Irvin's record with whoever their QB is, hands that are huge, 4 years experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-year one-trick pony who could only comprehend a go route even AFTER an attitude change.
Oh I know and no way am I comparing Hankerson to Thomas in terms of on field play. I just thought that it was funny that once against St. Louis was picking right before us and they passed up a big name for another receiver allowing the guy we wanted to drop to us. Of course Titus Young wasn't nearly as obscure as Donny Avery but thats besides the point.
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