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Old 11-02-2011, 07:39 PM   #136
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:45 PM   #137
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with saying black QBs basically get by on being fast

Somebody forgot to give that memo to Byron Leftwich.
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THANK YOU! That's what I was trying to say, but everyones so sensitive and all 'Nooo Race came up on this board. You're so racist.' Yet no one wanted to prove my statement wrong, (they just wanted to say I'm racist for pointing out a fairly obvious topic,) told me enough right there.


BACK to the board discussion. One guy I keep forgetting about is Case Keenum. The guy is pretty accurate and is experienced. I just don't know how mobile he is for shanahans offense.
Well in that case, I prefer a black president because none of them have been assassinated.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:19 PM   #139
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Well in that case, I prefer a black president because none of them have been assassinated.
Brilliant!
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What a racist.
Well.....he is kinda' pasty...you know suspicious looking...
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Old 11-03-2011, 02:41 AM   #142
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Getting more impressed with RGIII the more I read about him. I didn't realize that he was 6'2 215lbs, I thought he was closer to 6 even. Plus apparently the kid is brilliant, he is going to already graduate w/ a masters degree and will enroll part time in law school next year if he doesnt leave for the draft. For the sake of the Skins I hope he does leave.

1. Luck
2. Barkley
3. Foles/RGIII to me are even.

Those would be my top 4 qbs on my big board going into the 2012 nfl draft. IF we got any 1 of those 4 I would be pretty dang happy. Not sold on Landry Jones for some reason as a pro bowl caliber qb.

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Cult, I am not going to say you're a racist, but you definitely just "came out" as being prejudiced. You're prejudging all black quarterbacks based on the color of their skin. While you state indisputable facts relating to the race and success of quarterbacks, you don't recognize the factors contributing to those facts. Black quarterbacks aren't inherently "football stupid." Due to the number of high school and college coaches with prejudices like yourself, fewer black athletes get the opportunity to play quarterback. It's assumed that they are better suited to play wide receiver, running back, defensive back, etc so that's where their coaches play them. The black athletes who do get the opportunity are often forced into playing a mold of the "athletic qb" and are never really developed into being prototypical passers... All because of prejudice. Please quit with the prejudicial comments.
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Old 11-03-2011, 03:17 PM   #144
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Uh, I think Dirtbag was being sarcastic.

There's a negative word for judging QB's based on skin color and that word begins with an "r."
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"Realistic"
"Reasonable"
"Rational"
"Redundant"
"Rude"
"Rudimentary"

Oh sorry you said negative... you must mean "Rational".

EDIT: Oh, "Racist" , sorry I didn't get that far. My second guess was going to be "Rude."

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What about Grossman is smart?

This Rex/Beck debate sure is getting comical.
Sorry late to see your post....

Well, what I see when Grossman plays is a QB who knows the system inside and out, one who can change the play at the LOS to a more favorable play, one who goes through his progressions... maybe too fast.. but does usually get rid of the ball prior to the rush getting to him even if it's to throw the ball away.

What I see in Beck is a QB who knows the system but not as well as Grossman, one who has mobility and can escape pressure or run for the 1st down if needed to, and honestly thats about it.

My problem with all the Grossman haters is they came out with the excuse that he needed to be benched because he can't run for the 1st down (too slow) and because he's throwing 2 INT's a game and one horrendous Eagles game. Funny thing is Beck has not faired much better. He has threw 1 INT the first game and had 2 fumbles. In the second game he had 2 INT's and 2 fumbles. What part of his play is 100% better then Grossman's? If the coaching staff wants a pocket passer they might as well stay with Grossman who knows more of the plays vs. making Beck a more mobile QB stay in the pocket all day. Design plays around his abilities or his mobility is a non factor. Design some QB runs up the middle, use more play action and roll him out, use play action/roll outs to fake out the DE's and give the ball to the RB for an up the middle run.

I'm not saying Grossman is 100X smarter then Beck, I'm just saying he knows the system better. On the other note I find it humorous that fans think Beck is going to have an apiffany and all of a sudden start playing like Favre because of their believe Beck has not been given a chance to prove himself. He was with Miami who is in despirate need of a QB and if he had talent I would think they would have kept him and built around him but they let him go, cut or traded him. Baltimore had him and apparently he was not better then what they already had as a starter and eventually ... because he was such the SB/franchise QB they decided to trade him away to the Skins.

I'll agree on one thing with everyone else. Neither QB should be our future and the team definitly needs to draft a top notch one this next draft.
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The Redskins need a QB. While Grossman knows the offense, but has consistently thrown picks to opposing defense, Beck hasn't done much either. I know John Beck is trying to work behind a patchwork offensive line, but I see an inexperienced QB who holds the ball for far too long. I see a QB who overthrows his receivers. While Beck can scramble and positively lead the offense, he hasn't shown in preseason or the 9 quarters he's played in the regular season why Mike Shanahan thinks so highly of him.

Mike Shanahan is being heavily criticized for not getting a QB in the draft or free agency. I've looked at many mock drafts for 2012, and many of them have the Redskins drafting Robert Griffin III with their first round draft pick. If Mike Shanahan passes on Griffin III and doesn't upgrade the QB position for a second year in a row, then there will be a lot of angry fans.

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Old 11-03-2011, 04:20 PM   #147
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1. Luck
2. Jones
3.Tannehill
4. Griffin III
5. Weeden

I personally dont like USC Qbs. Barkley included.
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Sorry late to see your post....

Well, what I see when Grossman plays is a QB who knows the system inside and out, one who can change the play at the LOS to a more favorable play, one who goes through his progressions... maybe too fast.. but does usually get rid of the ball prior to the rush getting to him even if it's to throw the ball away.

What I see in Beck is a QB who knows the system but not as well as Grossman, one who has mobility and can escape pressure or run for the 1st down if needed to, and honestly thats about it.

My problem with all the Grossman haters is they came out with the excuse that he needed to be benched because he can't run for the 1st down (too slow) and because he's throwing 2 INT's a game and one horrendous Eagles game. Funny thing is Beck has not faired much better. He has threw 1 INT the first game and had 2 fumbles. In the second game he had 2 INT's and 2 fumbles. What part of his play is 100% better then Grossman's? If the coaching staff wants a pocket passer they might as well stay with Grossman who knows more of the plays vs. making Beck a more mobile QB stay in the pocket all day. Design plays around his abilities or his mobility is a non factor. Design some QB runs up the middle, use more play action and roll him out, use play action/roll outs to fake out the DE's and give the ball to the RB for an up the middle run.

I'm not saying Grossman is 100X smarter then Beck, I'm just saying he knows the system better. On the other note I find it humorous that fans think Beck is going to have an apiffany and all of a sudden start playing like Favre because of their believe Beck has not been given a chance to prove himself. He was with Miami who is in despirate need of a QB and if he had talent I would think they would have kept him and built around him but they let him go, cut or traded him. Baltimore had him and apparently he was not better then what they already had as a starter and eventually ... because he was such the SB/franchise QB they decided to trade him away to the Skins.

I'll agree on one thing with everyone else. Neither QB should be our future and the team definitly needs to draft a top notch one this next draft.
Rex knows the offense but he still turns it over too much and he's just too inconsistent. Knowing an offense doesn't make you smart as a QB. Making good decisions on a consistent basis is what earns you the smart label, and Rex clearly hasn't done that here or in Chicago.
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1. Luck
2. Jones
3.Tannehill
4. Griffin III
5. Weeden

I personally dont like USC Qbs. Barkley included.
I like Weeden but he is 28 years old, born on Oct. 14, 1983. Perhaps if we are to draft a young QB we should look for someone younger.

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Didnt say Weeden would be the best fit for the Redskins. Just how I rank the top 5 QBs. Dont think Jones is a great fit either but still think he is #2. Best fit for the Skins I think are Luck, RGIII and Tannehill in that order.
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