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Old 11-06-2011, 09:35 PM   #211
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I think they were all hand picked by Shanahan and not the Scouting staff.
I meant Shanahan's scouting or his decision-making. The point is that I hope third time is a charm, otherwise we are screwed.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:35 PM   #212
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Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him!
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Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him!
We can't draft Harnish because there is no catchy slogan for him other than Tarnish for Harnish.
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Look, I know you all may think I'm crazy by suggesting we could get Luck, but the thing is this; If we draft in the top ten, top 5 especially, AND St. Louis, Carolina, or Indy have the first overall pick, our team I fully believe will make the trade. Let me break this down some more;

-Should we be drafting in the top 10/5, Shanny and Snyder will be having some long talks about the future, and Shanahan will, I fully believe throw in all his chips into getting Luck should one of those 3 teams have the first pick.
-I know you all think we are a more mature draft team, but always remember, Dan Snyder's the owner, anything can happen. He may say he's out of the picture now that Shanahans here but don't be surprised if he puts himself back in and tells the FO to do whatever they can to get this guy, especially if shanahan really thinks he's a future QB who can turn this team around.
-You all are probably wondering why would Indy give up their pick and trade it to us, should the pick 1st. They owe Peyton Manning a $35 million dollar roster bonus. They give it to him they A) take away millions of dollars of cap space, B) Won't have the money to just go out and pay a #1 overall pick, C) Are saying they believe Peytons Neck is healthy, and are committed to him for atleast another year or two.D) I just don't see the Colts even taking Luck, and letting him set behind Peyton, when Lucks supposed to be one of the most NFL ready QB's ever. (Also I heard on Inside the NFL that the Colts would pass on Luck should Peyton be healthy.)
- Oliver Luck is supposedly Archie Manning Jr., being that he wants his son in the best place. Andrew said he would love to be close to home with his next team. His home right now? Morgantown, WV. IF Indy did have the first overall pick, and were uncertain, I believe Oliver would tell them to give up the pick to someone who definitely wants him.
-Again the draft is so far away prospects are going to be moving up and down constantly and even though Andrew Luck is a consistent first overall pick some guys may move up whom check out a lot better option wise for teams drafting high, but know they can still get that player lower. For example if the Rams pick 1st overall, and we pick 5th, and the Rams have a QB and we are in perfect position to take Alshon Jeffery, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens, and if A.J got drafted that high.
If the Redskin front office is able to trade up to get Andrew Luck, then Allen and Shanahan will indeed draft him. But in giving away multiple picks to the Colts or Dolphins, the Redskins will have to get what they need through FA. They need young veteran wide receivers. If they can target four, they could get two very good ones. In addition, the Redskins already have a young receiving core with Fred Davis, Terrance Austin, and Leonard Hankerson. But knowing Allen and Shanahan, they will also ask in exchange for their picks for additional late picks along with the number 1 overall.
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Watched another Boise State game again last night and I'm totally sold on Moore.

That said, I've heard a potential sleeper choice for us is Chandler Harnish. What do you all know about him!
From Walter's Football:

Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.
10/21/11: Harnish has completed 65 percent of their passes for 1,547 yards with 12 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also has run for 671 yards and seven touchdowns. Harnish has been consistent this season except for not having a productive game against Wisconsin. He could garner some developmental interest.

8/18/11: Chandler Harnish is an experienced signal caller who enters his fourth season as a starter. In his career, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 5,728 yards with 40 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Harnish also is a running threat with 1,604 yards rushing and 13 touchdowns over the past three seasons.
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Old 11-07-2011, 07:53 AM   #216
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I'm going to go back and watch some of his games.

Watched some more of yesterday's game and I really believe a QB is all we need for a huge difference.
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I'd honestly go with RGIII that kid is a baller and is a way better passer than many people see, I've seen Folks in here say he's just a typical running QB but that's far from true
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I'm going to go back and watch some of his games.

Watched some more of yesterday's game and I really believe a QB is all we need for a huge difference.
I couldn't agree more. Watching receivers get open and Beck not throwing to them couldn't have made it any clearer.

More Harnish stats:

Passing

Year G/GS C-A-I Pct. Yds. TD Lg. Yds/Gm Effic.
2008 10/9 118-211-9 55.9 1528 8 91 152.8 120.7
2009 10/9 143-223-6 64.1 1670 11 45 167.0 136.9
2010 13/3 189-292-5 64.7 2530 21 69 194.6 157.8
Career 33/31 450-726-20 62.0 5728 40 91 173.6 140.9

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Year G/GS No. Yds. Avg. TD Lg. Yds/Gm
2008 10/9 118 539 4.6 4 32 53.9
2009 10/9 89 229 2.6 2 29 22.9
2010 13/13 137 836 6.1 7 69 64.3
Career 33/31 344 1604 4.7 13 69 48.6

He has improved every year.
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From Walter's Football:

Chandler Harnish, QB, Northern Illinois
Height: 6-2. Weight: 220.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2012): 4-6.
10/21/11: Harnish has completed 65 percent of their passes for 1,547 yards with 12 touchdowns and four interceptions. He also has run for 671 yards and seven touchdowns. Harnish has been consistent this season except for not having a productive game against Wisconsin. He could garner some developmental interest.

8/18/11: Chandler Harnish is an experienced signal caller who enters his fourth season as a starter. In his career, he has completed 62 percent of his passes for 5,728 yards with 40 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Harnish also is a running threat with 1,604 yards rushing and 13 touchdowns over the past three seasons.
Please god no.. We should not reach for a qb ... I think shanny likes to take the unpopular choice to make people go " wow didn't see that coming " and if it works out he's considered a genius. We have to take Jones, Griffin, or Barkley if avail. Moore is great but not in the first . Im done with bad qb play for the skins..... And SS I think you're right. We are just a qb away from being a possible wildcard team. We obv need a ton more to become a SB contender.
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I don't think Harnish would be the first QB we take. But Shanny may want him in the later rounds as a developmental type QB if he see's potential in him.
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I don't think Harnish would be the first QB we take. But Shanny may want him in the later rounds as a developmental type QB if he see's potential in him.
Yea I'm down with that ... We do need two qb's. I just want Rex and Beck gone.
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I've been hyping up Kellen Moore since last year. I agree we should get this guy. BUT having said that, I asked some of my football friends what they think of Kellen. They brought up good points to me.

-what makes him different from John Beck?
-What, besides running, makes him different from Tim Tebow?
-what makes him completely different from Colt Brennan?

Heisman Watch: Kellen Moore - Video - SI.com
-He's a good QB
-He has a stronger, more accurate arm. Better pocket presence
-You know what, at this point I'd even give Colt a call and see if he wants to QB for us the rest of this year
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I'm still monitoring how St. Louis and Indy do this year. I heard from Michael Lombardi that if the Colts got the number one pick, and Peyton checks out as healthy, the colts would trade it. I know that if the Rams got the number one pick, they wouldn't take Andrew. The teams to worry about are the Cardinals and Dolphins. I really feel that we have a decent (25-45%) chance of getting Andrew Luck. I'd trade 2 firsts for him in a heartbeat.
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Re: 2012 QB Class

I'm going to champion my new realistic sleeper prospect

Kirk Cousins
6'3, 210 pounds | Quarterback | Michigan State

Kirk Cousins Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Michigan State Spartans - ESPN

First word: Cousins joins a long list of promising quarterback prospects and is a sleeper pick of many different evaluators. The fact that he has played against good Big 10 competition and has experience undercenter makes him an attractive prospect. He has an opportunity to really improve his stock with a solid season.

There is a lot to like about Cousins from his good arm strength to his on field leadership. The ball jumps out of his hand and arrives to his target with zip. There is no doubt that he can make all the necessary NFL throws. His ball placement and accuracy is good on all levels. He can read a defense and is able to locate secondary targets. Cousins has good anticipation which allows him to avoid turnovers and batted balls.

While Cousins has a lot of positives there are still some significant concerns. His technique is less than ideal which impacts the delivery of the football. Cousins doesn't step into his throws often throwing off of his back foot resulting in less power. He can get away with this in college but in the NFL with tighter passing windows he could struggle to complete passes. Cousins also doesn't set his body and feet towards his target impacting his accuracy. While he is accurate improved footwork will only make him better.

Overall, Cousins has enough talent and potential to warrant the attention he is receiving. He needs a productive season while leading Michigan State to a few more wins. Improving his technique and footwork will only help his draft stock.

Bold statement: Kirk Cousins will be a 2nd round pick in 2012

Games viewed: Wisconsin ('10), Iowa ('10), Michigan ('10), Penn State ('10)
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Cousins is a decent athlete with the ability to escape the rush

Michigan State has a pro style offense that likes to feature play action

His experience and success in the Michigan State offense is a positive

He possesses a strong arm generating good zip on passes to all levels

Cousins keeps his eyes down the field when faced with pressure

As he drops back he keeps the ball above his breast plate avoiding wasted motions

He has a quick release that allows him to get the ball out on time

His accuracy is good on all levels as he leads his targets and also has the touch to drop in a bucket pass
The ball jumps out of his hands and arrives to his target on a line

He is able to go through his progressions and find the open man and secondary targets

Cousins needs to improve his technique as he often throws off his back foot and doesn't align his feet and body towards the target

He struggles to get rid of the football as he holds the ball to long and often takes sacks

Cousins has a tendency to force the ball when faced with pressure resulting in turnovers
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Tannenhill looks like a classic elder Shanahan QB. Only problem I have is his release is a little sloppy and the offense has to many curls and screens for my taste.


And of course it took Ryan less then 2 minutes to do what Alabama couldn't do in 60 plus. Score a TD against LSU
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