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Old 11-07-2011, 11:52 PM   #256
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After reading this, I want RG3:
Baylor's Griffin takes own path – USATODAY.com
I've read enough articles on RG3 to know that if we had the opportunity to grab him, we should. My concern is that he doesn't want to come out. I hope he has a change of heart, because he would be my first pick after Luck.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:27 AM   #257
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I'm so nervous about all of the Junior Qb's staying in college (not including Luck). I can see Barkley, RGIII and Jones (I'm not high on Jones) all deciding to stay in college 1 more year.

After just doing some research and watching some video on RGIII he is a better version of Jake Locker who went in the top 10 last year. The guy has a cannon arm and can make plays with his feet.

If the juniors stay in school there are no other qb's worth drafting in the 1st round. Tannehill, Foles, Moore, etc. etc. are all 2nd round picks at the earliest. Out of all those guys I'd say Tannehill is the best fit for the Redskins current offense, even though I'm a fan of Foles size and arm.

I'd be happy with Luck, Barkley or RGIII in the 1st round or Tannehill/Foles in the 2nd round.

I like Moore from Boise State but everything I'm reading on him is that you can get him in the mid to late rounds. Wouldnt mind taking two qbs if we could get more in the 5th round or so.
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Robert Griffin is staying in school according to reports to finish his degree. He's had 2 torn ACL's in the past couple of years. I dunno if he's someone we should spend a first round pick on.
What are you talking about? RG3 already got his degree. Whoever reported is either misinformed or flatout lying. We all know what you feel that we shouldn't draft him in the first round. I don't go down that road with you. What I will say is that when he's drafted in the first round it's going to be because of his great accuracy, great mobility, good arm, and good vision. Based on what I've seen out of all the qbs in this draft he definitely has the biggest upside outside of Luck.
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What are you talking about? RG3 already got his degree. Whoever reported is either misinformed or flatout lying. We all know what you feel that we shouldn't draft him in the first round. I don't go down that road with you. What I will say is that when he's drafted in the first round it's going to be because of his great accuracy, great mobility, good arm, and good vision. Based on what I've seen out of all the qbs in this draft he definitely has the biggest upside outside of Luck.
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RG3 is coming out this year. It makes no sense fir him not to come out.
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I don't know. He has indicated he's not, but I think it's too early to know for sure.
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RG3 is coming out this year. It makes no sense fir him not to come out.
Above the fact that he cares about life after football and that Andrew Luck has essentially done the same thing you also have to realize that a lot of QB's are improving their draft stock by staying an extra year in school.

The rule of thumb for GM's these days is to look for QB's with a certain amount of starts. Occasionally you'll get freaks of nature like Cam Newton that are to tempting to pass up but for the most part having a certain amount of experience will improve your draft stock.

Either way a lot of you have to get ready to choose between the likes of Foles and Tannehill. And I swear if one person says wait for next years class I will spontaneously combust right next to you so as to take you with me.

The only way Barkley or Jones comes out is if theres some kind of power vacuum at the top with Andrew Luck deciding to stay in school rather waiting three years in Indy.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:22 PM   #263
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Unbelievable, but 8 teams have a worse record than our Skins and 3 other teams have 3 wins. 2nd place in the NFC West has 2 wins half way thru the season. It's way to early but we'd only have at best the 9th pick in the draft.
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Above the fact that he cares about life after football and that Andrew Luck has essentially done the same thing you also have to realize that a lot of QB's are improving their draft stock by staying an extra year in school.

The rule of thumb for GM's these days is to look for QB's with a certain amount of starts. Occasionally you'll get freaks of nature like Cam Newton that are to tempting to pass up but for the most part having a certain amount of experience will improve your draft stock.

Either way a lot of you have to get ready to choose between the likes of Foles and Tannehill. And I swear if one person says wait for next years class I will spontaneously combust right next to you so as to take you with me.

The only way Barkley or Jones comes out is if theres some kind of power vacuum at the top with Andrew Luck deciding to stay in school rather waiting three years in Indy.
What about Ryan Lindley?
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Unbelievable, but 8 teams have a worse record than our Skins and 3 other teams have 3 wins. 2nd place in the NFC West has 2 wins half way thru the season. It's way to early but we'd only have at best the 9th pick in the draft.
I know, its crazy to think they are actually worse teams than us right now. The last couple weeks we've played like the worst team in the league outside of Indy.
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What about Ryan Lindley?
Your co-workers at Scouts Inc have him graded as a 4th round prospect.


Ryan Lindley
QUARTERBACK
68
SCOUTS GRADE
Grading Scale
60-69
GRADE
4th Round
ROUND EQUIVALENT
This player is a good starter at the collegiate level but he is overmatched versus the better players in the nation. He is usually a prospect that is missing something from his game. For example, he has the size and skills to be an outstanding prospect, but lacks the speed. He will usually rate in the top half of the players at his position and is considered an early-Day 2 prospect.

1 = EXCEPTIONAL 2 = ABOVE AVERAGE 3 = AVERAGE 4 = BELOW AVERAGE 5 = MARGINAL


OVERALL FOOTBALL TRAITS
Production - 1 - "2007: Redshirt. 2008: (11/11) - 427-242-56.7-2,653-16-9 2009: (12/12) - 437-239-54.7-3,054-23-16 2010: (13/13) - 421-243-57.7-3,830-28-14"

Height-Weight-Speed - 2 - "Above average blend of height, weight and top-end speed. "

Durability - 4 - Sprained ankle in 2010. Injured index finger in September of 2009. Missed part of the 2009 Idaho game with an injury. Separated right shoulder in TCU game and missed Air Force game in 2008.

Intangibles - 3 - "Three-year starter that has played for two different coordinators and appeared to be in complete control of the offense. Tough competitor. Struggled against TCU in 2010 but didn't wilt and brought the Aztecs within five after trailing by 20 at half. On the other hand, didn't play well enough on third down or in the red zone in the fourth quarter for the Aztecs to pull of the upset at Missouri in 2010. Team's co-offensive player of the year in 2009 and 2010. Team MVP in 2008. Will play for his third offensive coordinator this year though terminology will not change. "


QUARTERBACK SPECIFIC TRAITS
Mental Makeup - 3 - "Gunslinger that put too much faith in arm strength and threw into coverage at times. Made some questionable decisions, especially in the face of pressure. Can get through progressions and manipulate coverage with eyes but room to improve in that area. Average anticipation and can be too quick to check down at times. Tough and willing to take the big hit if it means buying receiver enough time to get open."

Accuracy - 4 - "Missed high. Skipped passes. Threw behind receivers. Didn't square up and threw off balance rolling to the right though did a better job of it rolling left. Left the ball too far inside and gave defensive back chance to make play on fade route. No question that he can spray the ball around and needs to improve in this area. On the other hand, accuracy isn't as bad as the stats suggest. Put ball on receiver but put too much velocity on some short-to-intermediate passes. Receivers weren't always able to come down with fast ball. Willingness to throw into coverage resulted in several tipped passes. Both of which affected completion percentage. Touch and timing on deep throws over the middle are above average if not elite. Can put the ball where the receiver can run under it when throwing down the sideline. "

Release/Arm Strength- 1 - Can stretch the field vertically and made some impressive throws on film i.e. 60-yard seam route on second play of the 2010 TCU game. Put the ball on a rope throwing outside the hashes. Can thread the needle. Doesn't have to set or step into throw to put adequate zip on pass. Made 30-yard pass across body early in the third quarter of the 2010 Missouri game. Over-the-top and quick release. Natural and relaxed follow through when footwork is sound.

Pocket Mobility - 3 - Foot speed is slightly below average and took a split longer to set than most quarterbacks when dropping from under center. Sensed pressure off the edge and kept eyes downfield as stepped up. Not quick enough to get outside the pocket and doesn't move well enough laterally to sidestep pressure up the middle.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:57 PM   #268
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What do they know?!

Actually, I'd say he's probably a late 2nd/early 3rd at this point
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Actually, I'd say he's probably a late 2nd/early 3rd at this point
If we were to draft to qb outside of the first round it has to be Kellen Moore. Ryan Lindsay had all the physical skills, but he's just not all the good. I think Kellen Moore will be a much better prospect. When I look at Kellen Moore I see a guy who's extremely accurate with the football. The only thing that's keeping him out of the top 5 of this draft is size and arm strength. I consider both to be overrated. This guy is an outstanding passer and if we can get him in the second or third round I would happy. I think he's the second coming of Drew Brees.

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Lindley is a four year starter who has struggled three out of four years at a low level of competition. Guys like that have a place in this league, but when they have to play, they usually turn out somewhere between Derek Anderson and John Skelton. Can't spend a pick on that when there will be better players in undrafted free agency.

I think Kellen Moore is a better pro prospect coming out than Andy Dalton. The problem with Moore is that six foot guys simply can't be used in the same way that six five guys can in the NFL. There are about 12 passing systems in the league where Kellen Moore is a bona fide first round talent. Of course, none of those systems are struggling to find quarterbacks. Those are the ones that employ Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Freeman, etc.

There are two teams who may be able to get first round value out of Kellen Moore who don't have an obvious long term solution to the QB problem. Arizona and Miami are running offense that could make Kellen Moore a star (though if either fires their offensive staff, all bets are off). He's probably a second or third round project to the Redskins.
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