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Old 11-02-2011, 12:53 AM   #121
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Outstanding job CRed!

We should spend less time around here accusing others of ignorance and more time understanding the opinions of others, even if they differ from ours.
Nope. I'd much rather call everyone else idiots and cling to my title of smartest person in the world.
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:22 AM   #122
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Heres a Realistic claim. How many mobile QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by a mobile QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a non-mobile QB. Mobile QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. Non-mobile QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, great football IQ, accuracy, legs, great at changing play calls,
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it so many non athletic players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not athletic. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% explosive, athletic players who are more taller. Not saying non athletic people can't play in the NBA, but its just not as likely to find a non-athletic person that can do all that when theirs already so many good athletes in the NBA that can do that for that sport.


Until another mobile QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting an accurate, intelligent QB until then. And RGIII, who is mobile and accurate, which is rare for a mobile QB, isn't coming out this year according to reports.

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Old 11-02-2011, 02:42 AM   #123
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Stupid argument considering there are presently only 3 non-white QBs starting in the NFL.
The odds are stacked against seeing an African American QB win a SB in the near future.
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Old 11-02-2011, 03:54 AM   #124
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I feel like you all are pulling some joke. This isn't a racist claim, this is realistic. How many Black QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by an african american QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a white QB. Black QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. White QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, legs, accuracy, great at changing play calls, great football IQ
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it American white players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not black. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% african american players. Their taller more athletic players. Their explosive and can run and jump. Not saying white people can't do that, but its just not as likely to find a white american player that can do all that when theirs already so many good african american players that can do that for that sport.


Until another African American QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting a white QB until then. And RGIII isn't coming out this year according to reports.
Oh, your claim most definitely is racist. Judging the abilities of others by the color of their skin is racism.

C'mon man.
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Old 11-02-2011, 05:48 AM   #125
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In the future there will be more and more black qb's because more young black athletes will want to play that position now. They have more black qb's to idolize. Once that happens, there will be plenty of Super bowl winning black qb's, I promise. I just hope Mike Vicks not the second. We can't play the game like it was in the past, we gotta evolve. Until recently I was old school. Defense and a running game and all you need is a decent qb having a decent year and a super bowl is attainable. But now that I think of it, since Trent Dilfer won it, every team that wins has a franchise stud QB. Its a qb driven league. I think the worst one in that time was Eli Manning and he's pretty damn good. The point is we need a QB, first pick and someone to throw to second pick.
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I feel like you all are pulling some joke. This isn't a racist claim, this is realistic. How many Black QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by an african american QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a white QB. Black QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. White QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, legs, accuracy, great at changing play calls, great football IQ
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it American white players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not black. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% african american players. Their taller more athletic players. Their explosive and can run and jump. Not saying white people can't do that, but its just not as likely to find a white american player that can do all that when theirs already so many good african american players that can do that for that sport.


Until another African American QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting a white QB until then. And RGIII isn't coming out this year according to reports.
Just stop dude. You've basically said that none of the black QBs have accuracy, pocket awareness, and other traits of a solid football IQ. That they're just athletes running around. If you don't realize that guys like Vick and Newton are successful because they are football smart and more than just athletes then you don't belong on this board.
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Stupid argument considering there are presently only 3 non-white QBs starting in the NFL.
The odds are stacked against seeing an African American QB win a SB in the near future.
The fact of the matter is most QB's won't ever see the Superbowl Black or White.
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All this white v black QB has always made me laugh, considering I'd take Cam Newton over any QB in the league right now other than Rodgers and Brady
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I feel like you all are pulling some joke. This isn't a racist claim, this is realistic. How many Black QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by an african american QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a white QB. Black QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. White QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, legs, accuracy, great at changing play calls, great football IQ
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it American white players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not black. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% african american players. Their taller more athletic players. Their explosive and can run and jump. Not saying white people can't do that, but its just not as likely to find a white american player that can do all that when theirs already so many good african american players that can do that for that sport.


Until another African American QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting a white QB until then. And RGIII isn't coming out this year according to reports.
Wow just wow, people actually think this way. Amazing. I am just sad for folks like you with simple minds, life must be hard and frustrating for you. You probably think red cars go faster then blue cars too simply by their color.
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I feel like you all are pulling some joke. This isn't a racist claim, this is realistic. How many Black QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by an african american QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a white QB. Black QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. White QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, legs, accuracy, great at changing play calls, great football IQ
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it American white players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not black. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% african american players. Their taller more athletic players. Their explosive and can run and jump. Not saying white people can't do that, but its just not as likely to find a white american player that can do all that when theirs already so many good african american players that can do that for that sport.


Until another African American QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting a white QB until then. And RGIII isn't coming out this year according to reports.
I can appreciate that everyone has their own opinion on things, but this kind of stuff is just best kept to yourself man. Racial fireworks aren't really what we're shooting for around here. You're straight up saying black men in general aren't smart enough to handle the QB position. That's racism, plain and simple.
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I can appreciate that everyone has their own opinion on things, but this kind of stuff is just best kept to yourself man. Racial fireworks aren't really what we're shooting for around here. You're straight up saying black men in general aren't smart enough to handle the QB position. That's racism, plain and simple.

Lets hope judging by the time of his post some alcohol was involved and he will come back and apologize.
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I think every team looks for a smart, mobile, and accurate QB or atleast one that has the best and most of those qualities.

we have the smart (Grossman) and we have the mobile (Beck) but we just don't have the accurate in either of them. Hopefully one of the QB's is still on the table when we are able to draft that has all 3 qualities.
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I feel like you all are pulling some joke. This isn't a racist claim, this is realistic. How many Black QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by an african american QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a white QB. Black QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. White QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, legs, accuracy, great at changing play calls, great football IQ
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it American white players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not black. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% african american players. Their taller more athletic players. Their explosive and can run and jump. Not saying white people can't do that, but its just not as likely to find a white american player that can do all that when theirs already so many good african american players that can do that for that sport.


Until another African American QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting a white QB until then. And RGIII isn't coming out this year according to reports.
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I think every team looks for a smart, mobile, and accurate QB or atleast one that has the best and most of those qualities.

we have the smart (Grossman) and we have the mobile (Beck) but we just don't have the accurate in either of them. Hopefully one of the QB's is still on the table when we are able to draft that has all 3 qualities.
What about Grossman is smart?

This Rex/Beck debate sure is getting comical.
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Just a reminder where it all started:

Black Quarterback Pioneer: Remembering James Harris - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

In addition to his skill on the field, the guy was instrumental in assembling the successfull Ravens & Jaguars teams of the 2000's. I would suggest he has a little "Football IQ".
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