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Old 11-02-2011, 07:16 AM   #121
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Stupid argument considering there are presently only 3 non-white QBs starting in the NFL.
The odds are stacked against seeing an African American QB win a SB in the near future.
The fact of the matter is most QB's won't ever see the Superbowl Black or White.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:45 AM   #122
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All this white v black QB has always made me laugh, considering I'd take Cam Newton over any QB in the league right now other than Rodgers and Brady
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:04 AM   #123
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I feel like you all are pulling some joke. This isn't a racist claim, this is realistic. How many Black QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by an african american QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a white QB. Black QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. White QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, legs, accuracy, great at changing play calls, great football IQ
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it American white players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not black. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% african american players. Their taller more athletic players. Their explosive and can run and jump. Not saying white people can't do that, but its just not as likely to find a white american player that can do all that when theirs already so many good african american players that can do that for that sport.


Until another African American QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting a white QB until then. And RGIII isn't coming out this year according to reports.
Wow just wow, people actually think this way. Amazing. I am just sad for folks like you with simple minds, life must be hard and frustrating for you. You probably think red cars go faster then blue cars too simply by their color.
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I feel like you all are pulling some joke. This isn't a racist claim, this is realistic. How many Black QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by an african american QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a white QB. Black QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. White QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, legs, accuracy, great at changing play calls, great football IQ
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it American white players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not black. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% african american players. Their taller more athletic players. Their explosive and can run and jump. Not saying white people can't do that, but its just not as likely to find a white american player that can do all that when theirs already so many good african american players that can do that for that sport.


Until another African American QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting a white QB until then. And RGIII isn't coming out this year according to reports.
I can appreciate that everyone has their own opinion on things, but this kind of stuff is just best kept to yourself man. Racial fireworks aren't really what we're shooting for around here. You're straight up saying black men in general aren't smart enough to handle the QB position. That's racism, plain and simple.
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I can appreciate that everyone has their own opinion on things, but this kind of stuff is just best kept to yourself man. Racial fireworks aren't really what we're shooting for around here. You're straight up saying black men in general aren't smart enough to handle the QB position. That's racism, plain and simple.

Lets hope judging by the time of his post some alcohol was involved and he will come back and apologize.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:18 AM   #126
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I think every team looks for a smart, mobile, and accurate QB or atleast one that has the best and most of those qualities.

we have the smart (Grossman) and we have the mobile (Beck) but we just don't have the accurate in either of them. Hopefully one of the QB's is still on the table when we are able to draft that has all 3 qualities.
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I feel like you all are pulling some joke. This isn't a racist claim, this is realistic. How many Black QB's have won a super bowl? 1! There has been 45 super bowls and out of those 1 super bowl has been won by an african american QB. Just right there I'll take my chances on a white QB. Black QB's rely on either one of two things (or both); their athleticism and their arm. White QB's rely on many things, some of which are their football IQ. Mike Vick relies on his legs and his strong arm. Cam Newton = legs and arm. McNabb = arm (used to be legs too). Jason Campbell = arm and legs. Tavaris Jackson = arm, legs. Randall Cunningham = arm and legs. Warren Moon = arm.

Now lets just look at the last 3 super bowl winning QB's.
Rodgers = arm, legs, accuracy, great at changing play calls, great football IQ
Brees= accurate, great at changing play calls, great football IQ, good pocket awareness
Roethlisberger = tough, relies on his feet to extend plays, good football IQ, clutch.

It's just like in the NBA. Why is it American white players are always shoved down late in the draft or just not drafted at all? Take Jimmer Fredette. He was the CBBall player of the year last year and what was it that talent evaluators said "He's too slow for the NBA...He's not that aggressive nor a good defender...he's not tall enough. He can only shoot threes" translation. He's not black. And why would he be drafted high? The NBA is over 90% african american players. Their taller more athletic players. Their explosive and can run and jump. Not saying white people can't do that, but its just not as likely to find a white american player that can do all that when theirs already so many good african american players that can do that for that sport.


Until another African American QB wins the Super Bowl, I'm going to lean towards us getting a white QB until then. And RGIII isn't coming out this year according to reports.
just when i thought this thread couldnt get any worse, I read this.
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I think every team looks for a smart, mobile, and accurate QB or atleast one that has the best and most of those qualities.

we have the smart (Grossman) and we have the mobile (Beck) but we just don't have the accurate in either of them. Hopefully one of the QB's is still on the table when we are able to draft that has all 3 qualities.
What about Grossman is smart?

This Rex/Beck debate sure is getting comical.
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Just a reminder where it all started:

Black Quarterback Pioneer: Remembering James Harris - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

In addition to his skill on the field, the guy was instrumental in assembling the successfull Ravens & Jaguars teams of the 2000's. I would suggest he has a little "Football IQ".
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What about Grossman is smart?

This Rex/Beck debate sure is getting comical.
We passed the "getting comical" mark a looooong time ago. Now it's like watching two idiots argue about whether pig wrestling ought to be in the Olympics - Sure, at first it's funny to hear their earnest advocacy of something stupid, but after a while it's just, well, stupid.
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Old 11-02-2011, 02:46 PM   #131
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I think people like CB59 probably voices what many people think or believe inside. I think some of the reasons for such stereotype is due to the following:

1) Blacks on average score lower on SAT tests than whites (and other standardized tests)
The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done - Brookings Institution

2) Blacks are viewed as better athletes than whites generally.

My guess is many people view the black quarterback as one who's superior athletically, but lacks the intelligence to develop into a complete quarter back. We also see a good deal of kids coming from broken homes and bad environments that do lack the education and proper upbringing, which also feeds the stereotypical picture of the black athlete.

I think the problem with the "athletic" quarterback starts long before college even rolls around. Even from the time of middle/high school, these kids generally are better athletes than the guys around them. Coaches then have them use those skills to win games instead of teaching them the true fundamentals and form. As long as the coaches are winning games, they don't care if his fundamentals/form are there. Otherwise, a guy like Tim Tebow doesn't go through 4 years of college without having his mechanics changed. Urban Meyer didn't give a shit about his mechanics because Tebow was running all over the place.

For guys like Peyton Manning or Dan Marino, that simply wasn't a option. They had to focus more on the form of passing to elevate their game at the position, and having a NFL QB as a dad probably helped with the instruction from as a small child.

For me, it's different. I don't think Cam Newton is a dummy because he's black. I think Cam Newton is a dummy because he had to cheat in Florida to get by with academics. Watching his interview with Jon Gruden made me cringe. I also think Tim Tebow is a dummy as well and he's white. They say Wonderlic scores aren't a good gauge, but I say otherwise.

Bottom line, I think the most important qualities for a NFL quarterback to have is:

1) Intelligence
2) Accuracy
3) Reaction time (progression reads/quick release)

Sure having a big gun and fast wheels makes for a great combo as well, but we've seen QBs become Hall of Famers without those two traits. In the end, we need to take away the color from a player and focus on their strengths and weaknesses. They are all unique and vary from person to person, regardless of their color.
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THANK YOU! That's what I was trying to say, but everyones so sensitive and all 'Nooo Race came up on this board. You're so racist.' Yet no one wanted to prove my statement wrong, (they just wanted to say I'm racist for pointing out a fairly obvious topic,) told me enough right there.
I'm quite sure what I said and what you said are completely different. I expounded to people where you got your racial stereotype from in regards to black QBs. I simply refute that color should even be a factor when talking about QBs. It plays no part in the discussion really.
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Cult, there's no justification for what you said. What is there to refute? and in fact, there have been posts refuting your claim. Like I said before, if you can't understand what's wrong (not just morally, but factually) with saying black QBs basically get by on being fast and not because of their football IQ, then you have no business being on this board. Take your ignorance elsewhere. The mods have agreed to allow you to reconsider and retract your statement. I strongly advise that you do.
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Just a reminder where it all started:

Black Quarterback Pioneer: Remembering James Harris - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com

In addition to his skill on the field, the guy was instrumental in assembling the successfull Ravens & Jaguars teams of the 2000's. I would suggest he has a little "Football IQ".
I forget all about James Harris and I always think of Doug....Sorry James! He was quite a revelation at the time.
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