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Old 11-29-2011, 03:18 PM   #181
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Re: 2012 QB Prospects (Part 2)

A good (stats heavy) one from FO's Vince Verhei. ESPN Insider required:

With the makings of a solid D, Washington needs to find playmakers on offense - NFL - ESPN
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:22 PM   #182
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Re: 2012 QB Prospects (Part 2)

Remember last year when we thought Newton would definitely fall to 10? Yeah I'm starting to get skeptical of these guys that say Barkley will be around at 8. Lets just assume he's going around 2 or 3 via trade.
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:24 PM   #183
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I think it's pretty critical to get a pass catcher and a passer with the first two picks. That pass catcher can play any position. Yes, even tight end. Just the best available guy who can help the offense.
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Hate to break it to you but the O line probably is intact for 2012. Williams is locked in, Shanny loves Liechtenstieger, Montgomery has played well enough to return as a starter, Chester and Brown got long term deals this past offseason. O-line starters won't be a priority. Depth will be a focus though.
I would like to see us target one or 2 upgrades to the starters and make the current starters the depth that you are talking about.
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Remember last year when we thought Newton would definitely fall to 10? Yeah I'm starting to get skeptical of these guys that say Barkley will be around at 8. Lets just assume he's going around 2 or 3 via trade.
Right.

I think Barkley, Griffin, and Luck will all be gone by the sixth pick even if they call come out. It's very much worth looking at other names if we pick outside of the top six or seven.

If you want to make a youtube cut-up of Nick Foles someday, I think people would be shocked at how good of a player he is compared to other guys like Tannehill, Cousins, Lindley, Jones etc. The way people talk about him as a late round pick, you wouldn't think he could make any throw with any amount of pressure on him. Except that he can.

The other thing I like about Foles is how he uses his feet effectively. He's got Tom Brady's athleticism (or lack of), but still moves effectively. And while this may be an effect of his offense, he managed to be one of the toughest players to sack in college football (and one of the ten best passers) despite crappy receivers and two freshman tackles who couldn't block anything.

Assuming the top guys are gone, I would just sit tight and take Foles with the first round pick, wherever that may be in the round.
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Remember last year when we thought Newton would definitely fall to 10? Yeah I'm starting to get skeptical of these guys that say Barkley will be around at 8. Lets just assume he's going around 2 or 3 via trade.
I think that would be a wise assumption. If Barkley comes out and either St. Louis or Minnesota are drafting second, then I think we'll have a shot at him via a trade up. It will cost a lot, so let's hope he's worth it if it happens.

Of course, we also need to be prepared for Shanny and Kyle to fall in love with a 32 year-old backup QB who has bounced around the the CFL for the last ten years. The thought of those two picking our next QB scares me as much as anything else related to our QB situation.
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Assuming he comes out i think RG3 ends up going higher then Barkley. And RG3 is the guy I would target...
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If everyone comes out, I think there will be six first round picks at the QB position. I am against trading up because I think the Redskins will have their pick of two or three first round QBs wherever they select. I think the probability says that there will certainly be a great quarterback when we pick, we just need to get a staff in place that can identify him.
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If everyone comes out, I think there will be six first round picks at the QB position. I am against trading up because I think the Redskins will have their pick of two or three first round QBs wherever they select. I think the probability says that there will certainly be a great quarterback when we pick, we just need to get a staff in place that can identify him.
I am telling you that Barkley and Luck are miles ahead of the pack. Infact, if you watch these guys they look like the best prospects in ten years.
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Assuming he comes out i think RG3 ends up going higher then Barkley. And RG3 is the guy I would target...
Not gonna happen! Barkley is NFL ready. RGIII will need more time to develop.
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Right.

I think Barkley, Griffin, and Luck will all be gone by the sixth pick even if they call come out. It's very much worth looking at other names if we pick outside of the top six or seven.

If you want to make a youtube cut-up of Nick Foles someday, I think people would be shocked at how good of a player he is compared to other guys like Tannehill, Cousins, Lindley, Jones etc. The way people talk about him as a late round pick, you wouldn't think he could make any throw with any amount of pressure on him. Except that he can.

The other thing I like about Foles is how he uses his feet effectively. He's got Tom Brady's athleticism (or lack of), but still moves effectively. And while this may be an effect of his offense, he managed to be one of the toughest players to sack in college football (and one of the ten best passers) despite crappy receivers and two freshman tackles who couldn't block anything.

Assuming the top guys are gone, I would just sit tight and take Foles with the first round pick, wherever that may be in the round.
If the skins are unable to grab any of the top tier QB's then Foles would be my next pick. He's under rated.
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I am telling you that Barkley and Luck are miles ahead of the pack. Infact, if you watch these guys they look like the best prospects in ten years.
Since 2004, at least.
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If the skins are unable to grab any of the top tier QB's then Foles would be my next pick. He's under rated.
I'd put him with the top tier guys. I'd probably go with Luck, then Griffin, then Barkley, then Foles, all top ten picks.
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I am telling you that Barkley and Luck are miles ahead of the pack. Infact, if you watch these guys they look like the best prospects in ten years.
I agree with you. The plan should be to explore any and all avenues to get one of these two QB's.
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Landry Jones and Kirk Cousins are very similar to me. Hard to put a round grade on them. They're both first round talents in terms of arm strength and ability to make throws with people around them, but they're third round decision makers.

I think Jones is really undervalued at this point, and would love to have him, but I think it's because he's so undervalued that he'll stay in school at this point.
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