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Old 12-04-2011, 12:41 PM   #361
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That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.
My only concern with Barkley is this: what if the same limitations that are causing many draft experts to rate Kellen Moore between the 5th round and undrafted as a prospect are being ignored in the assessment of Barkley? It's clear Barkley's been coached up at USC (if not overcoached), and he has almost magical footwork, but I get a completely different picture of Barkley when I analyze him in his losses vs. his wins.

The big question for Barkley comes if he gets drafted to a losing team that doesn't know how to develop a quarterback: if he struggles in year one, I'm not sure where you go from there. When you have a very undersized, polished NFL-ready passer, he has to come out and succeed right away or it's tough to have confidence in the guy.

I think Barkley can absolutely lead a team to the playoffs next year. He's got first overall type quarterback skills. My concern level for him would skyrocket if he came out early at USC and then got exposed in the NFL. I'm not sure how he would be able to overcome a talent deficiency.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:33 PM   #362
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That makes a lot of sense to me. I have little doubt that we're going to get a very good player in Round 1 but he may not be a QB. If and only if we can't do something to get Barkley, I'd even have no problem with moving down in the first round if RGIII doesn't fall to us, taking someone like DeCastro, and then trading up in the second to get a QB.

Frankly, I don't rate RGIII as highly as I rate Barkley, so I wouldn't like to see the Skins give up a lot to move up and draft him.
RG3 just as good as Barkley if not better.
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RG3 just as good as Barkley if not better.
The only way to find out is when they both make it to the pro's till then it's a mute point.
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I think Barkley can absolutely lead a team to the playoffs next year. He's got first overall type quarterback skills. My concern level for him would skyrocket if he came out early at USC and then got exposed in the NFL. I'm not sure how he would be able to overcome a talent deficiency.
Watching every one of his games for three seasons, I agree with you. Barkley will absolutely shine if he's got the talent around him. Earlier this season, his only consistent weapon was Robert Woods... Bark struggled when defenses figured out how to take everyone else away. Once the younger guys started getting it, you saw what happened to the entire offense.

Having said that, this may show that Matt has the fortitude to work through struggle. Even if he starts out badly, due to a dearth of talent, if the players grow around him... he'll start looking like a mini Aaron Rodgers.
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Looks like Weeden vs Luck in the Fiesta Bowl.
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As of tonight (and wildly subject to change) we have the 4th pick based on strength of schedule tiebreaker and with Indy, Minnesota and St. Louis ahead of us we shouldn't have an issue getting our QB. I highly doubt 2 teams (Cleveland & Seattle) both mortgaging their futures to draft QB. QB won't go 1-2-3 in the draft. With the puff puff brothers suspended for the year we will be lucky to sniff another win this year so 4-12/5-11 should keep us in the top 5-8 picks.
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As of tonight (and wildly subject to change) we have the 4th pick based on strength of schedule tiebreaker and with Indy, Minnesota and St. Louis ahead of us we shouldn't have an issue getting our QB. I highly doubt 2 teams (Cleveland & Seattle) both mortgaging their futures to draft QB. QB won't go 1-2-3 in the draft. With the puff puff brothers suspended for the year we will be lucky to sniff another win this year so 4-12/5-11 should keep us in the top 5-8 picks.
And if Minnesota wins 2 more games including the one against us I believe we would have the 3rd pick.
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Good read! I guess maybe our FO/coaching staff used their foresight to suck for the upcoming draft??!!
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If we get the 3rd pick then yes we would have a decent chance at moving to number 1.. Indy could move to 3 am still draft Barkley and add picks at that. Or we just stay at 3 and take Barkley because STL won't draft a QB
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If we get the 3rd pick then yes we would have a decent chance at moving to number 1.. Indy could move to 3 am still draft Barkley and add picks at that. Or we just stay at 3 and take Barkley because STL won't draft a QB
True....but I really don't see that much difference between Luck and Barkley. Yes Luck is better ... But is it worth losing picks to get Luck when we can still get a great prospect like Barkley?? Hmmm. Well one thing is for sure this will be one of the most exciting offseasons the Redskin will have in a long time.
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If we get the 3rd pick then yes we would have a decent chance at moving to number 1.. Indy could move to 3 am still draft Barkley and add picks at that. Or we just stay at 3 and take Barkley because STL won't draft a QB
Indy didn't suck for Luck all season long to trade out of the #1 spot. We're not getting Luck.
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Indy didn't suck for Luck all season long to trade out of the #1 spot. We're not getting Luck.
Exactly, not gonna happen and really, I'm fine with that. I don't think the gap between Luck and Barkley is so significant that we're looking at a major dropoff. That being said, I want RGIII over Barkley. I think Barkley has the potential to be a good QB but RGIII has the potential to be special. He adds an element we've never had at the position and that's what I'm looking for.
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And if Minnesota wins 2 more games including the one against us I believe we would have the 3rd pick.
NE- Loss
@ NYG- Loss
Minn at home- Winable game
@ Phili - Loss

I think we might win 1 more game. 5 wins for the season tops IMO. Our best O-lineman and our best recieving threat...gone.
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NE- Loss
@ NYG- Loss
Minn at home- Winable game
@ Phili - Loss

I think we might win 1 more game. 5 wins for the season tops IMO. Our best O-lineman and our best recieving threat...gone.
Minny will show up against us.. They don't need a quarterback.
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If we get the 3rd pick then yes we would have a decent chance at moving to number 1.. Indy could move to 3 am still draft Barkley and add picks at that. Or we just stay at 3 and take Barkley because STL won't draft a QB
I don't see us drafting 3rd. I think we will lose all games with the exception of Minny going either way at this point, but I can see us winning if ALL DAY is out of the line-up still.

Right now there are 4 teams with a worse record, could be 5 if San Diego loses. And we have 5 other teams tied with our record. The chances we get a 3rd overall pick are very slim IMO. As I posted earlier, I think we are in the 5-7 range depending on tie breakers (4-6 if we lose out). We could still trade up, but I don't see it. As I'm sure Luck is going #1 overall, I think there is a chance Barkley or RGIII is still there in that window, but if not we can move up a spot or two to get him and not give up as much as moving to #1 overall. That's the smarter move to me.
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