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Old 12-13-2011, 12:26 PM   #601
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AJ Green is LEGIT, but so is Dalton
That he is, but right now Steve Smith is the better player.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:28 PM   #602
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Yeah, you didn't know he can play wideout and be a crappy GM? LOL.

I don't think AJ Green is better than Steve Smith, simply pointing out that Dalton has a good target to throw to, just like Cam does.
Cam has Greg Olsen too, and no wonder AJ Smith didn't wanna pay Vincent Jackson.
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that he is, but right now steve smith is the better player.

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I'm curious as to why you consider Tannehill be a 'project' or a 'raw' QB?
Inexperience?

He'll have more snaps played then Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez both of whom were day 1 starters.

In fact Tanneyhill is more of a direct system fit for this team then a QB in the draft.

And to a certain extent every QB is a project.
Excellent points.

I think that there is a lot to like about Tannehill. I want us to draft the best possible QB we can and, outside of Luck perhaps, Tannehill may be that guy. This is especially true if you consider a fit in Kyle's offense.
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If we finish 5-11 again next year I hope MS is fired

You mean 4-12, right??????????????
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If we finish 5-11 again next year I hope MS is fired
What so they can continue to pay him while he's sipping coctails at the bar? watching whoever the next best thing since sliced bread gets hired to come in here and start all over again to get the players that fit his system only to get fired after 2-3 years cause he failed to meet fans expectations and so the saga can continue of no continuity?

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What so they can continue to pay him while he's sipping coctails at the bar? watching whoever the next best thing since sliced bread gets hired to come in here and start all over again to get the players that fit his system only to get fired after 2-3 years cause he failed to meet fans expectations and so the saga can continue of no continuity?

OK.

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Cam Newton's physical skills are off the charts though. Like I said if Tannehill is the guy they really want then he better be great because if Shanny passes on Matt Barkley and Robert Griffin III with both of them on the board it will take all my energy not to snipe Shanny COD style because I think they both will be special.
Thus far you are the only person suggesting passing on Barkley and Griffin for Tannehill; I'm certainly not.

I was responding specifically to ruhskins comment about Tannehill being a 'project'.
And my points are that a Tannehill is really less of 'project' QB then meets the eye because he has direct scheme familiarity even down to similiar verbiage.
I also pointed out that he'll have more experience then other rookie QBs that ended up being day 1 starters.

Of course Cam's physical skills are off the charts, no one is suggesting they're not.
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Thus far you are the only person suggesting passing on Barkley and Griffin for Tannehill; I'm certainly not.

I was responding specifically to ruhskins comment about Tannehill being a 'project'.
And my points are that a Tannehill is really less of 'project' QB then meets the eye because he has direct scheme familiarity even down to similiar verbiage.
I also pointed out that he'll have more experience then other rookie QBs that ended up being day 1 starters.

Of course Cam's physical skills are off the charts, no one is suggesting they're not.
Hey Smoot seems to think Tannehill is their guy, I want Griffin or Barkley. I don't really like Tannehill at all to be honest.
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I agree with most of you post, so I reponded to the points where I have a different viewpoint.
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Speaking of RGIII, why isn't Tannehill as celebrated as RGIII as an athlete? Tannehill is just as effective as a runner as RGIII. Heck, Tannehill runs like a deer! He reminds me of Jake Locker when he runs - and I like Locker a lot!
Tannehill is without a doubt a good athlete in his own right.
But, Griffin literally has world class speed and uses his athleticism more often then Tannehill.

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On the other hand, for some reason, he throws a terrible out pattern. Also, even though TAMU didn't seem to throw deep much, the deep passes I saw him throw weren't very good. He has a strong arm so I assume he can improve on those throws.
I didn't see this at all, to my eye he throws the deep comeback and the deep very well, his ability on these throws are a testament to his arm strength.

I consider his deep ball to be average.

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Yes, he's going to have a steep learning curve as a pro and the team that picks him probably won't be able to throw him into the starting lineup right away but I think that will be the case for nearly all of the other QB prospects, including RGIII. That is, except for Luck and Barkley. Andrew Luck could start right away but he will probably be sitting behind Peyton Manning and Matt Barkley will probably take his lumps as a rookie starter.
He won't have a steep learning curve for Kyle's offense because its the same offense Mike Sherman ran at A&M.
For me his scheme knowledge helps bring the gap that exsist because of his comparative playing inexperience between the other prospects.

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Now, some team may pick RGIII high enough that they feel obligated to start him from Day 1 but, if that happens, I think RGIII will struggle as a rookie.
I tend to consider a prospect's ability to start and play well doesn't have a whole lot to do with being 'pro-ready'.
Imo a prospect ability to play well early is more a product of talent, coachability and work ethic mixed with the drafting team's talent level and their offensives staff ability to teach.
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I'm worried about MS and his QBs
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I'm worried about MS and his QBs
Aren't we all?

He'd better get it right this time around if he wants to keep his job.
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I just tend to think that the Shanahan's are going to take the guy that they think is best for THEIR offense...and that's going to be a BIG mistake. I haven't seen a lot of Baylor games but RG3 seems to have a talent level that is off the charts. Great deep ball thrower, world class speed, he reminds me of Michael Vick with better character and a lot more maturity. My only question can he become a great QB? Can he get the nuances down of the pro game? ..like Steve Young did. But the more I hear this guy talk the more I like him. Very humble young man who's got a great head on his shoulders. If he came back next year he'd most likely be the #1 pick. SO if that's the case don't ya think we need to draft him?
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I just tend to think that the Shanahan's are going to take the guy that they think is best for THEIR offense...and that's going to be a BIG mistake. I haven't seen a lot of Baylor games but RG3 seems to have a talent level that is off the charts. Great deep ball thrower, world class speed, he reminds me of Michael Vick with better character and a lot more maturity. My only question can he become a great QB? Can he get the nuances down of the pro game? ..like Steve Young did. But the more I hear this guy talk the more I like him. Very humble young man who's got a great head on his shoulders. If he came back next year he'd most likely be the #1 pick. SO if that's the case don't ya think we need to draft him?
I don't agree with that line of thinking very much. Look what Denver did. They formatted their offense to Tebow's strengths and have won 6 straight. I think Shanny and Co. needs to pick the best athlete at QB with the most potential and work the offense to his skill set. I'm not saying dramatically change it, but do something to conform to more of their style.

I mean, what's the point of drafting a less talented athlete just to get someone that fits your scheme best? Get the most talented guy and make your scheme fit his style. You want the best players on the team. Not the best players to fit the scheme. You are boxing yourself in if you do that.
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