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Old 12-15-2011, 03:59 PM   #631
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Re: 2012 QB Prospects (Part 2)

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Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.[/QUOTE]

We ARE rebuilding, that doesn't mean they don't want to "win now." Of course they do, but other than the mcnabb deal the new regime has shown it will not do so at any cost. Compare our moves to Philly's this year.

This article in today's WP explains it well & gives some #s to back it up. Boswell even calls BS on Allen saying "the future is now."

Mike Shanahan is forging a new identity for the Redskins: Building through the draft - The Washington Post
We'll see what happens. I hope they keep building through the draft. I actually HATE the free agent route cause it's proven that it doesn't really work. I hope they draft RG3, build an offense around him and go from there.
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Old 12-15-2011, 05:19 PM   #632
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Did you actually listen to this. Because I think your statement about what they said is pretty inaccurate

I didn't catch the whole Convo but Greeny said Manning could work with the Shanahans and Golic agreed but they didn't come out and say yes they think he'll end up there
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I really think you're reading the tea leaves incorrectly on this one. The Skins are rebuilding - their just not admitting to it in a straightforward manner. To put it more succinctly, Bruce Allen's "the future is now" remark was pure bullshit. Don't be mislead.

Because the Skiins are rebuilding, going after Peyton Manning would be the wrong move for this team. We are not going to be competing for a title for at least two more seasons, if nearly everything goes well. Not to mention that Peyton is a very big injury risk which the Skins cannot afford to take.

As for the Free Agent pickups. these were a different type of FAs for the Skins. They were younger mid-level FA's - not silver bullets but good players who filled needs - who should be around when the team has been rebuilt. To rebuild, we need good young players who were drafted and good young players who were acquired through Free Agency.

Our designated Franchise QB will almost certainly be drafted.
I don't know where to point to suggest rebuilding is taking place. Shanahan says, and you can tell me if you think he is being dishonest, that the young players who are playing now are not necessarily doing so because they should be, but because there is no one else healthy enough to play.

Maybe there is some motive causing him to lie about the state of the organization. But with the general manager not believing in rebuilding, the head coach doesn't believe in rebuilding, and the owner not sure what the heck the difference is anyway, I would suggest that rebuilding is a figment of the fans imagination.

There is nothing fundamentally different with this organization now vs. five years ago. There are different decision-makers, being that Bruce Allen is not Vinny Cerrato, and Mike Shanahan is not Joe Gibbs, but whether or not the decisions are consistently better than in the Snyder-Cerrato-Gibbs days is not something I think I have enough evidence to pass an opinion on. I think it looks pretty similar.

The front office is pretty much the same guys as five years ago. The only thing different is a couple of people at the top who hold the authority. The fact that the scouting department is still marginalized is identical between the regimes.
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Old 12-15-2011, 06:23 PM   #634
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I didn't catch the whole Convo but Greeny said Manning could work with the Shanahans and Golic agreed but they didn't come out and say yes they think he'll end up there
Well look, first off they were responding to Joe Theismann's comments where JT said on ESPN 980's Sports Fix that he thought Peyton Manning would be a terrible fit here.

Greenberg said he (Greenberg) thinks it could be a place with Mike and Kyle where Peyton could find himself. Golic said he didn't think he will leave Indy but that he, unlike Theismann, doesn't think that he'd have a problem adjusting to a different system such as Shanahan's. Where as Theismann and I believe Greenberg think that the Redskins would have to adjust their system.

But anyway, the conversation was more about could Peyton Manning successfully transition to another team.
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National Football Post seem to be really high on Ryan Tannehill

1. Andrew Luck
2. RG III
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. Matt Barkley
5. Nick Foles
6. Landry Jones

National Football Post College Big Board | National Football Post
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I don't think you can call what they're doing a 'rebuild'.
And at the same time its not quite win now.
Its somewhere in the nebulous confusion that occurs when your HC is your GM, two positions that are often at cross purposes.
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The team that would benefit the most if Manning was traded, would be the 49ers. Alex Smith would be a FA, they have a young QB in the wings that Manning could mentor and are a playoff team.
From what I understand, very few established veteran QB's are willing to actually mentor young QB's. Even less so when they're future hall of famers. I mean Montana didn't want to do it for Young, Favre didn't want to do it for Rodgers, and I doubt Manning would be willing to do it for anyone else.

Guys like Hasslebeck for instance are more the exception then the rule.

Warner also did it with Leinart but beyond that I can't think of many guys that actually took their young backups under their wing.
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USC T Matt Kalil has decided to turn pro, per sources. Projected as top-5 pick; premier LT prospect. No word on Barkley. #NFL32 #ESPN #USC
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The decision by #USC OT Matt Kalil to go pro more than likely means his teammate Matt Barkley will follow.
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USC T Matt Kalil has decided to turn pro, per sources. Projected as top-5 pick; premier LT prospect. No word on Barkley. #NFL32 #ESPN #USC
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The decision by #USC OT Matt Kalil to go pro more than likely means his teammate Matt Barkley will follow.
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That's great news as both have been linked together.
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Yes it is great news. I think even if Seattle/Miami and Cleveland jump us to get their QB's (which I doubt both will happen), that more than likely means that worst case we're stuck with Kalil. Not a bad choice, for where we (hopefully) will be drafting this year.
Didn't we just draft Trent Williams 2 years ago? I don't see how it would be a good idea draft another Tackle. We need a qb. If we miss out on Barkley and Griffin I'm going to be pissed off. Drafting Kalil isn't going to make me happy at all.
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We will not be drafting Kalil. That is about as likely as Peyton Manning coming here.
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Thanks SS..

And why would we draft another Tackle guys?? Smh
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