Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts?

Redskin Jim · 12-08-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Okay, I looked it up on the NFLPA web site that has the 2011 CBA in it's entirety on there.

The contract sign date is actually the tenth week of the regular season. If the draftee does not sign by week 10, then he can re-enter the next years draft. Unless, before the next draft he agrees to a deal with the club that drafted him, that deal is for the NEXT season and he is ineligible to play after week 10 even if he signs a contract. He would actually start playing the next league year.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Luck isn't feeling the draft this year, he can return to Stanford for another season. But here's the real deal: LUCK WILL BE DRAFTED BY INDY. He will sit behind Manning for 2-3 years, or possibly earlier depending on Manning's health. BREES WILL BE RETAINED BY THE SAINTS.
Not to be rude, but move on people, all of the speculation of the Skins getting ANY OF THESE THREE QB's IS PURLY DELUSIONAL. So, lets move on from fantasy land and evaluate who we would like to get out of the remaining attainable QB's...

redsk1 · 12-08-2011, 12:35 PM

There's a decent chance the Colts aren't going to take Luck. Based on the assumption that they feel pretty confident PM is healthy here's my take.

PM is 35, he's got a good 4 years left most likely. He doesn't get hit like most QB's.
The return:
2012 1st round, 2nd round
2013 1st round
2014 high pick
With free agency adding to the roster, I believe they'd have a great shot at another SB.

Publically they'll offer some smoke screens but I think there's a chance they won't draft him.

Redskin Jim · 12-08-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

There's a decent chance the Colts aren't going to take Luck. Based on the assumption that they feel pretty confident PM is healthy here's my take.

PM is 35, he's got a good 4 years left most likely. He doesn't get hit like most QB's.
The return:
2012 1st round, 2nd round
2013 1st round
2014 high pick
With free agency adding to the roster, I believe they'd have a great shot at another SB.

Publically they'll offer some smoke screens but I think there's a chance they won't draft him.

The only way I see Indy not taking him is, if he doesn't enter the draft. The only other possibility I see him not being a Colt is, if they trade him or the #1 pick away for beaucoup compensation.

Mattyk · 12-08-2011, 12:56 PM

PM has a really tricky situation with his injury. It might be several more months before they are sure he can play or not, even then it's going to be dicey. I think the Colts have to think long term and Luck is someone that they simply cannot afford to pass over.

Odds are Luck goes to Indy.

T.O.Killa · 12-08-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

The only way I see Indy not taking him is, if he doesn't enter the draft. The only other possibility I see him not being a Colt is, if they trade him or the #1 pick away for beaucoup compensation.

Wow, is that how you spell BooCoo. Never ssen it before.

Redskin Jim · 12-08-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Wow, is that how you spell BooCoo. Never ssen it before.

Yes, Sir.

Hog1 · 12-08-2011, 02:09 PM

The only way Indy DOES NOT take Luck is if.....Vinnie is now calling the shots in the Hoosier state....

Ruhskins · 12-08-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

PM has a really tricky situation with his injury. It might be several more months before they are sure he can play or not, even then it's going to be dicey. I think the Colts have to think long term and Luck is someone that they simply cannot afford to pass over.

Odds are Luck goes to Indy.

I think the Colts are in the best situation to move on from P. Manning right now. Manning's health is a true concern and I really don't think they should risk by staying with Manning. Plus they have an opportunity to once again get a franchise QB in the draft.

mlmdub130 · 12-08-2011, 03:05 PM

The way I see it no one will know anything for sure until next April but we will have a better idea of what may happen one month before the draft. I'm not 100% on the exact date and amount but Manning is due to receive a giant roster bonus, some thing over 20 mil I believe, in mid march. If he takes that bonus that will more likely than not mean he will be returning to the colts and they will be trading the first pick away, unless he pulls a Haynesworth that is.

Ruhskins · 12-08-2011, 03:16 PM

I guess the question is: how does the bonus work if Manning gets traded to another team? Because if another team has to pick up the bonus, the Colts won't have any trading partners.

Mattyk · 12-08-2011, 03:19 PM

Colts can’t pay and trade Peyton | ProFootballTalk

Ruhskins · 12-08-2011, 03:28 PM

It looks like that if the Colts are going to move on without Manning, they will most likely need to trade him to whatever team Manning wants (and maybe lessening the compensation) so Manning agrees to move the bonus payment date. Unless they keep him and sit Luck for the first season.

redsk1 · 12-09-2011, 11:19 AM

It's All About Luck: Ultimate Scouting Report - ESPN

Nice breakdown on Luck.

CultBrennan59 · 12-09-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

It's All About Luck: Ultimate Scouting Report - ESPN

Nice breakdown on Luck.

I read it. Great break down. However most of it is through McShay's POV. I'm not a McShay kind of guy. I prefer a Mayock over him and Kiper any day of the week. I know Kiper gives some opinion in this article, and he has a solid opinion.

SmootSmack · 12-09-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I read it. Great break down. However most of it is through McShay's POV. I'm not a McShay kind of guy. I prefer a Mayock over him and Kiper any day of the week. I know Kiper gives some opinion in this article, and he has a solid opinion.

McShay's on my list. He knows what he did...

I'm gonna miss Mel

Anyhow, I've heard good things about this report. I'll have to check it out later

12-08-2011, 12:35 PM	#62
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts? There's a decent chance the Colts aren't going to take Luck. Based on the assumption that they feel pretty confident PM is healthy here's my take. PM is 35, he's got a good 4 years left most likely. He doesn't get hit like most QB's. The return: 2012 1st round, 2nd round 2013 1st round 2014 high pick With free agency adding to the roster, I believe they'd have a great shot at another SB. Publically they'll offer some smoke screens but I think there's a chance they won't draft him.

12-08-2011, 12:56 PM	#64
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,653	Re: Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts? PM has a really tricky situation with his injury. It might be several more months before they are sure he can play or not, even then it's going to be dicey. I think the Colts have to think long term and Luck is someone that they simply cannot afford to pass over. Odds are Luck goes to Indy. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-08-2011, 02:09 PM	#67
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 8,372	Re: Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts? The only way Indy DOES NOT take Luck is if.....Vinnie is now calling the shots in the Hoosier state.... __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... Win! Always win! By fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds... by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... but always win--Edward Teach

12-08-2011, 03:05 PM	#69
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 30 Posts: 3,080	Re: Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts? The way I see it no one will know anything for sure until next April but we will have a better idea of what may happen one month before the draft. I'm not 100% on the exact date and amount but Manning is due to receive a giant roster bonus, some thing over 20 mil I believe, in mid march. If he takes that bonus that will more likely than not mean he will be returning to the colts and they will be trading the first pick away, unless he pulls a Haynesworth that is. __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

12-08-2011, 03:16 PM	#70
Ruhskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 34 Posts: 14,592	Re: Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts? I guess the question is: how does the bonus work if Manning gets traded to another team? Because if another team has to pick up the bonus, the Colts won't have any trading partners. __________________ R.I.P. #21 New words created on The Warpath: Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual Stroried Check out this cool local internet radio show Weds 7-9pm: The DC Sports Chat I sense an annoyance in the Force

12-08-2011, 03:19 PM	#71
Mattyk ‎\m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 40 Posts: 72,653	Re: Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts? Colts can’t pay and trade Peyton \| ProFootballTalk __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-08-2011, 03:28 PM	#72
Ruhskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Columbia, MD Age: 34 Posts: 14,592	Re: Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts? It looks like that if the Colts are going to move on without Manning, they will most likely need to trade him to whatever team Manning wants (and maybe lessening the compensation) so Manning agrees to move the bonus payment date. Unless they keep him and sit Luck for the first season. __________________ R.I.P. #21 New words created on The Warpath: Rewalsr - Somretimes - Fualt - Jersesy - Itiot - Composetory Afeard - Storgn - Empliment - Gaissn - Saftys - Minnisota Faviort - Hatter - Phsyched - Foof - Heloing - Brutual Stroried Check out this cool local internet radio show Weds 7-9pm: The DC Sports Chat I sense an annoyance in the Force

12-09-2011, 11:19 AM	#73
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Should Oliver Luck pull a power play on the Colts? It's All About Luck: Ultimate Scouting Report - ESPN Nice breakdown on Luck.

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