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Old 12-20-2011, 03:02 PM   #136
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all the speculation is driving me crazy, i literally find myself looking at mock drafts and forums every single day, BUT nobody knows what is going to happen and i hate it!! all i want for christmas is 2 redskin close losses and a late gift in april with RG3 in burgundy and gold.
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:25 PM   #137
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Except for his moronic notion that the price starts at 3 first round picks which would be historically high. He's a terrible columnist.
3 first round picks? LOL Better get Luck for that price
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Old 12-20-2011, 03:34 PM   #138
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Except for his moronic notion that the price starts at 3 first round picks which would be historically high. He's a terrible columnist.
Where did he say that?
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Unless we address the QB position via trade or FA prior to the draft, I cannot see anything short of the big 3 at QB being our pick otherwise there will be an all out revolt among the fan base. While Shanny doesn't just do things based on that, he'd be foolish to expect otherwise.. I think we're at the crucial point where we have to make a bold move to secure the future at that position.
It's fun to predict and guess as a fan base. We do desperately need a QB, but there are many things that happen on draft day that we're not privy to. Maybe they like two guys and try to trade up but the price tag is too high. I don't want them to leverage our future, necessarily, just to get their guy. I hope the majority of Skins fans understand this. It's kind of funny, I can see this playing a couple ways.

1. Skins throw away / over pay for Luck/Griffin as usual.
2. Skins have a crappy draft b/c they don't get Luck / Griffin.

I guess I'm trying to say sh** happens and while I'd like to walk away w/ Luck/Griffin/or other we need to continue to draft good players. I trust them and expect them to be smart about it.

I know you know this, but while i'd be disappointed I'd be happy with another good draft. While Grossman is not our long term answer, he may be our answer next year.
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Where did he say that?
2nd to last paragraph..

"St. Louis probably will open the bidding at three first-rounders for their pick. Two firsts and a second over three years, maybe. Including a player would be difficult for the Redskins, who don't have much to offer other than linebackers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan and they're not expendable. Maybe Roy Helu, but the Rams have a running back."
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2nd to last paragraph..

"St. Louis probably will open the bidding at three first-rounders for their pick. Two firsts and a second over three years, maybe. Including a player would be difficult for the Redskins, who don't have much to offer other than linebackers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan and they're not expendable. Maybe Roy Helu, but the Rams have a running back."

First of all thats IDIOTIC to even say 3 first round picks for the 2nd pick.
2nd of all the Rams don't really have a RB because JAX is old as **** and is never healthy..

Does this guy watch the NFL?
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2nd to last paragraph..

"St. Louis probably will open the bidding at three first-rounders for their pick. Two firsts and a second over three years, maybe. Including a player would be difficult for the Redskins, who don't have much to offer other than linebackers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan and they're not expendable. Maybe Roy Helu, but the Rams have a running back."
Oh Didn't read that far down
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I say that If we wanted to move up to number 2, from 8, it would cost our number one, our number 2 and next years number one. I would be OK with it if it lands us a potentially great QB. I see Barkley as the best fit for Shannahan's offense, but I would be satisfied with Luck, or RG3. With that said, I don't like any of the other QB's out there in the first round. Tannhil Hill has a long way to go and Landry Jones just seems not to have the "IT" factor. The fact that they take Landry Jones out of the game inside the ten yard line really bothers me. I think that Barkley comes in and wins with our offense immediately. Luck probably does the same. Rg3 will have to learn a new pro style offense and may have some growing pains year one, but he is super smart and probably has the highest ceiling.
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I say that If we wanted to move up to number 2, from 8, it would cost our number one, our number 2 and next years number one. I would be OK with it if it lands us a potentially great QB. I see Barkley as the best fit for Shannahan's offense, but I would be satisfied with Luck, or RG3. With that said, I don't like any of the other QB's out there in the first round. Tannhil Hill has a long way to go and Landry Jones just seems not to have the "IT" factor. The fact that they take Landry Jones out of the game inside the ten yard line really bothers me. I think that Barkley comes in and wins with our offense immediately. Luck probably does the same. Rg3 will have to learn a new pro style offense and may have some growing pains year one, but he is super smart and probably has the highest ceiling.
I like that, SuperSmart.

It's going to be a tough call if thats the price. St Louis would feel pretty good to slip 6 spots and get a 2nd this year and a 1st next year. If it's Luck, I'd say go for it. I don't know as much about RGIII but you'd have to consider it. Tough call. We're still very much a rebuilding team and need draft picks....high draft picks.
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2nd to last paragraph..

"St. Louis probably will open the bidding at three first-rounders for their pick. Two firsts and a second over three years, maybe. Including a player would be difficult for the Redskins, who don't have much to offer other than linebackers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan and they're not expendable. Maybe Roy Helu, but the Rams have a running back."

It is misleading/confusing he says 3 first rounders then 2 first and second. So which is it?
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One thing I have learned by watching the NFL for the past 30+ years, never say never. Never thought the 49ers would let Montana walk, but they did. Never thought the 'skins would bench John Riggins for George Rogers, but they did. If Houston makes a deep run in the playoffs with Yates, it could definitely happen. Now, is it likely Houston makes a deep run in the playoffs? That's really the question. I haven't really sat down and watched any Texans games other than the parts I see on the Redzone, but the kid keeps leading Houston to wins.

In my opinion, if the 'skins HAD to go the free agency route or the trade route for a vet QB, Schaub would be the best fit. Now really, it's more likely the Redskins draft a QB, I know this. But, there is always a better than outside chance that this scenario happens IF AND ONLY IF, Houston makes a deep run in the playoffs - and especially if they happen to make the Super Bowl. If the latter happened, consider Matt Schaub gone from Houston.
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If we were to do something stupid and not take a QB in the first, I like Foles and then Tannhill, in the second.
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Bottom line, Shanahan's numbers may not reflect a sea change in the way this organization is being run but, I would suggest, the way this team is playing at the end of a second losing season does.
I also want to point out, and not to distract too much from a thread about QBs, that Edwin Williams and Chad Rinehart have both been pretty fantastic as injury replacements in Chicago and Buffalo. I thought both showed more here than Maurice Hurt and Willie Smith have in limited time.
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In order to grab the price sometimes you to give up something valuable. I would consider throwing in Williams plus the 1st and sign and trade Davis along. I'm Leary of those 2, coming out of college the drug rumors surrounded both, yet they both laughed at the policy instead of being smart. Not only that, but 3 failed drug tests, what does the future hold for them. The skins have proved that they can play without them, hell throw Landry while you are it
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In order to grab the price sometimes you to give up something valuable. I would consider throwing in Williams plus the 1st and sign and trade Davis along. I'm Leary of those 2, coming out of college the drug rumors surrounded both, yet they both laughed at the policy instead of being smart. Not only that, but 3 failed drug tests, what does the future hold for them. The skins have proved that they can play without them, hell throw Landry while you are it
The only valuable assets this team has, besides our draft picks, are Orakpo and Kerrigan. Outside of that, I don't see any other player having significant trade value.
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