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Old 12-22-2011, 08:06 AM   #226
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What really irritates me about this thread is the presumption that Mike will know what to do w/ a rookie QB. Don't talk to me about Cutler because he's not proven jack shit. Elway fell into Mike's lap, along with one of the best defenses in history and elite RB, TE and WR.

And don't overplay Mike's involvement w/ Montana, Young or anyone else. I haven't heard any of those guys give credence to Mike Shanahan as they do other coaches.

The notion Mike can get "his special guy" after the top QB talent is gone and build a championship level team is about as likely as a Ron Paul presidency. It smacks of more egomania, much like the past string of misjudgements that led us to a Rex and Beck dynamic duo more than two years into the new regime.
Name one QB we've had thats better than Jay Cutler in the last 20 years?

I think you are being a bit one sided on this arguement. MS has a history of working w/ very good to great QB's.
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The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.
I was one of the few who didn't freak out about the 'skins not drafting a QB this year. I'm glad we addressed other areas of need and had the patience to wait until the next draft when we would have a better selection of QBs to choose from.

But, I think this season is much different. We HAVE to draft a QB. IF we don't, then I will start questioning the sanity of our front office. However, the FO has done a great job with player acquisitions, so I can't see them NOT drafting a QB unless a Bona fide, young, franchise QB is found in free agency.
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What really irritates me about this thread is the presumption that Mike will know what to do w/ a rookie QB. Don't talk to me about Cutler because he's not proven jack shit. Elway fell into Mike's lap, along with one of the best defenses in history and elite RB, TE and WR.

And don't overplay Mike's involvement w/ Montana, Young or anyone else. I haven't heard any of those guys give credence to Mike Shanahan as they do other coaches.

The notion Mike can get "his special guy" after the top QB talent is gone and build a championship level team is about as likely as a Ron Paul presidency. It smacks of more egomania, much like the past string of misjudgements that led us to a Rex and Beck dynamic duo more than two years into the new regime.
Don't know about Montana. But Young has given credit to Shanahan multiple times. And let's not act like Elway didn't have some of his worst years without Shanahan. Plus, who's to say it wasn't Shanahan and the coaches that helped make a guy like Terrell Davis a great running back?
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The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.
I'm sure a portion of the fan base will find ways to rationalize the decision.
Just like they did this year.
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The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.

that is the biggest problem in this franchise it has been run far too long by what the fan-base wants in hopes of generating ticket sales. Meaning they always made the flashy move vs. the best move for the club.

No need to sell the farm on a Luck or RG3 if it is just going to handcuff use in other areas.

Look at this way say you have a family four; all drivers. You have $50k to spend on cars for them. Would it make sense to buy a $50k SUV? While 3 other drivers won't have a car or would it be better to buy 4 $12.5k cars so everyone has one?
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At this point, I have given up on Luck. I want barkley, as he seems to break some trends of the "USC Quarterbacks" and would step in and succeed right away. Id give up a little to trade up for him if need be, but if we pick around 6 or 7 we should be safe.
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The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.
Does that also mean that we didn't say sign Matt Flynn...or trade for someone?
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The question is, what will the fans think if a QB isn't selected in the first round or two or three next year? We sure as hell were freaking out when it happened this year.
Last year? I was not suprised only because Jake Locker was already off the board, and we never seemed particularly thrilled with Gabbert, which with hindsight seems like a good move now. on the other hand, after a year of mediocre to downright dreadful quarterback play, we need our guy now, so that he is ready to go in a year.
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I was one of the few who didn't freak out about the 'skins not drafting a QB this year. I'm glad we addressed other areas of need and had the patience to wait until the next draft when we would have a better selection of QBs to choose from.

But, I think this season is much different. We HAVE to draft a QB. IF we don't, then I will start questioning the sanity of our front office. However, the FO has done a great job with player acquisitions, so I can't see them NOT drafting a QB unless a Bona fide, young, franchise QB is found in free agency.
I share your views except that I can't imagine finding a young, franchise QB in free agency.

I think that we'll have a rare opportunity to land one of three top notch prospects in Luck, Barkley, and RGIII and I'm optimistic that the Skins FO will come through for us.

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If the rams get the 1st pick which I think they will, I'd offer 3 first for Andrew Luck, at least 2. Call me crazy and an idiot but most teams that need a QB will be thinking the same thing.. Luck is a manning type elite QB prospect and if u land this guy we are set at QB for years to come.
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If the rams get the 1st pick which I think they will, I'd offer 3 first for Andrew Luck, at least 2. Call me crazy and an idiot but most teams that need a QB will be thinking the same thing.. Luck is a manning type elite QB prospect and if u land this guy we are set at QB for years to come.
I don't think you're crazy at all.

To even consider doing what you suggest, one must first believe that Luck is a rare prospect in the Peyton Manning mold. Like you, I do.

Secondly, one must believe that a QB of that quality can make a huge difference for your team, turning losses into wins and making your team a perennial playoff contender. I do.

So, I would offer as many as three firsts, if necessary.

P.S. If the Skins had Andrew Luck, then D.C. would become a prime destination for top FA's. That's how the Skins could sign the equivalent of a first round WR talent to pair with Luck.

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Exactly K I, if we had Luck just imagine the impact he would make on the team on/off the field. We would become a Big time draw and of course a winner again. I really think he's the best QB that's came out since manning, will he be an Elite QB? I truly think so
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I predict that he will announce that he's entering the draft but he will only play for the Washington Redskins.
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Yep, heard it on the radio. He would look good in burgundy and gold, close to the USC uniforms.
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