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Old 12-19-2011, 09:25 AM   #61
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True, I left them off the list somehow. So, the 7th pick as opposed to the 6th.

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So @ this moment.... 1. Colts 2. Rams 3. Vikings 4. Bucs 5. Jaguars 6. Browns 7. Skins.

We are still in a decent spot draft wise currently. However, we have the chance to win the last two games and end up 7-9. Drafting 11-13th if we win the last two. Which will leave us in a not so great option for getting a top tier QB.

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Old 12-19-2011, 11:18 AM   #62
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If we trade up, I hope the trade includes DHall.
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If we trade up, I hope the trade includes DHall.
We'll probably get less in return if we add Hall to the deal...


If we can't get one of the top qbs, either trade back and sign best available player or draft Blackmon and look for one of the second round qbs. Hoping we get Barkley or RGIII though.
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The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.
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The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.
Thank you.

And if we choose to move up to get a guy, we will not have to move far.
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The worst we can pick in the first round is 12th. That's at 7-9, and realistically, because Philly and Kansas City might both win again, could pick as high as 10th even with winning out.

We're really not talking much of a difference either way. 6th if we lose out, 11th or 12th if we win out, 8th or 9th if we win one, we're still looking at the same quarterback choices in that range. Might have to lose out to get Robert Griffin w/o, but the assumption that Griffin is even the target at this point is mere guessing.

The best of a strong senior class will be there whenever the Redskins choose.
This makes the most sense to me. I, personally, would much rather see the Redskins win out, finish the season out strong, and be in line for virtually the same QBs as if they lost the next two games. Plus, they would end at 7-9, which is where most of us pegged them at the start of the season anyway. So, that means a good supporting cast to help the young rookie QB.
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Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.
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This makes the most sense to me. I, personally, would much rather see the Redskins win out, finish the season out strong, and be in line for virtually the same QBs as if they lost the next two games. Plus, they would end at 7-9, which is where most of us pegged them at the start of the season anyway. So, that means a good supporting cast to help the young rookie QB.
To me though, the big thing is that the Redskins need to show that they are finally on the right track. The thing is: there are a lot of indicators, very real indicators, that suggest that Mike Shanahan is the worst coach in the recent history of the Redskins. But all of them are small sample indicators: consecutive home losses, lack of a meaningful winning streak, historically poor performance within the division.

If Shanahan can put together a three game winning streak here, a lot of the evidence that he's the worst coach in recent memory weakens considerably. And I would be more than happy to point out that my arguments that suggest he should be fired after two years are weakening, if in fact he can weaken them.

So the Redskins should go out these last two weeks, win by two touchdowns each week and show, finally, that Mike Shanahan deserves to be the head coach of this team. Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen have been incredibly careful to not give a public vote of confidence to their head coach. If the Redskins win these last two games, they'll look very smart by comparison because a vote of confidence will not be necessary. We'll be pretty close to (if not on) the proverbial right track.
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Shanny is worse than Zorn and the Ole' Ball Coach? yeah dont know bout that
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Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.
Stop, just stop. The Rams will not draft Luck nor trade Bradford. Minnesota will not draft Luck nor trade Ponder. Just stop.
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Has anyone calculated if the Colts beat the Jags if they still would have the first pick assuming that Minnisota or the rams or all three are 2-14. Because that could change the entire draft. If Minnasota gets the number one pick they will draft Luck, I would think. Same thing with the Rams. I would be all for trading to get Bradford, but not to interested in Ponder.
With current records, the Colts still get the first pick at 2-14. But it's close enough where if the NFC North or NFC West totally tanks as a division down the stretch, the Colts could miss the first pick at 2-14.

Remaining non-conference games for NFC North, NFC West:

Steelers at 49ers (tonight)
Chargers at Lions
Cardinlas at Bengals

If the Steelers beat the 49ers, the Bengals beat the Cardinals, and the Colts beat the Jags or Texans while the Rams lose out, there's at least a small chance the Rams could pick at first overall. Otherwise, no real chance.
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Colts opponents this year have 120 wins.
Vikings opponents this year have 128 wins.
Rams opponents this year have 132 wins.
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Shanny is worse than Zorn and the Ole' Ball Coach? yeah dont know bout that
Maybe as bad as?

I think Spurrier is a different animal though. Horrible head coach, put the franchise in a terrible spot. Still, longest losing streak was four games, longest home losing streak was three games, worst home record was 3-5. Shanahan's got all that beat, and against an easier schedule than Spurrier faced. Overall record favors Spurrier by a game. But I don't care so much about that.

Spurrier was unspeakably awful inside the division though. A division that was just as down then as the one Shanahan is competing in now.

I know facts about the job Shanahan has done make people queasy though.
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Maybe as bad as?

I think Spurrier is a different animal though. Horrible head coach, put the franchise in a terrible spot. Still, longest losing streak was four games, longest home losing streak was three games, worst home record was 3-5. Shanahan's got all that beat, and against an easier schedule than Spurrier faced. Overall record favors Spurrier by a game. But I don't care so much about that.

Spurrier was unspeakably awful inside the division though. A division that was just as down then as the one Shanahan is competing in now.

I know facts about the job Shanahan has done make people queasy though.
I think we bottomed out as a franchise the last year of Zorn---a bottom out from every perspective of an organization. No matter who they brought in, we werent gonna win, for at least several years. Has he been perfect? nope...i think he is moving in the right direction
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In the off chance that either Minn or St. L. get the first pick, I suspect they will have a Luck auction with plenty of suiters offering multiple 1st and 2nd round picks. Each have their "QB of the Future" on the roster but have holes to fill around him.
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