2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III)

The Goat · 12-19-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If things stay as they are I see something like

1. Colts-Luck
2. Rams-Blackmon
3. Vikings-Kalil
4. Dolphins (trade with Jaguars)-Barkley
5. Browns-RG III
6. Bucs-Quentin Coples
7. Bills (trade with Redskins)-Michael Floyd
8. Panthers-Morris Claiborne
9. Jaguars-Alshon Jeffery
10. Redskins-Landry Tannehill

Ugh that's seems a big stretch i.e. bad value at 10th overall. I guess in this scenario I hope we trade w/ the Jags...

The Goat · 12-19-2011, 06:33 PM

I mean looking at the entire draft we need a QB worse than any other team picking in the top 10 (assuming Manning plays another couple/few years), if anyone should be trading up to get one of the top talents it should be us.

GTripp0012 · 12-19-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

What facts are you speaking about? The obvious, well-known ones (McNabb, his actual win-loss record, his preseason comments about Beck/Grossman)?

Or - are you suggesting that you know additional facts which are not public knowledge?

If the first, true enough, their have been missteps - clearly. At the same time, after two seasons with a losing record and no hope of playoffs, the team clearly still believes in Shanahan and is willing to play for him. Not so at the end of either Zorn or Sprurrier. Those teams just quit and were playing out the string. As you implied, these last two games are important for this team going forward. Minnesota is a team that a "good" team should beat at home. Going out with a win against a division opponent, in their stadium, is a way to make a statement for the following year. I hope it breaks down that Philly needs to win that game and we then beat them.

Bottom line, Shanahan's numbers may not reflect a sea change in the way this organization is being run but, I would suggest, the way this team is playing at the end of a second losing season does.

I think these last two games are important for the team going forward. Avoiding double digit losses would be significant.

Sorry, there was an inconsistent emphasis in that sentence. Reading again makes it seem like I'm working some sort of inside slant. With regards some sort of secret organizational disdain for the job the head coach is doing, I can really only say that other organizations are skeptical. I don't know anything about what the team or other coaches or execs or owners of the Redskins think.

Anything I actually say about Mike Shanahan's line of thinking is pure observation or speculation.

I don't think it's accurate to say that Spurrier or Zorn's teams quit on them. I think it's accurate to say that the organization quit on Zorn at some point during the 2009 season (which it hasn't yet -- at least obviously -- done with Shanahan).

Obviously, with a team that hasn't won three games in a row for Shanahan yet and with a team that hasn't gone 3-3 in the division since Zorn was the coach, there is plenty for the team to prove down the stretch here. I'd say a 7-9 record with this kind of finish would put the team on schedule, pending future moves. It does not mean, to me at least, that the team is on the right track in spite of all the other evidence, but it would be an important first step, particularly with all the youth that is playing for this team.

I think the record would show with the history of this team that they probably aren't going to be that competitive in both of these last two games. So hopefully they can go out and show a couple more opponents that they can play a little bit.

SFREDSKIN · 12-19-2011, 06:43 PM

I give up on who the Redskins will draft until the season is over, if they win their next 2 games many things can change, even if they only beat the Vikings.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-19-2011, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Ugh that's seems a big stretch i.e. bad value at 10th overall. I guess in this scenario I hope we trade w/ the Jags...

In that scenario we traded with the Bills.

CultBrennan59 · 12-19-2011, 07:07 PM

Well we do have a trading history (now) with the Jags, so hopefully we do trade with them.

T.O.Killa · 12-19-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

I mean looking at the entire draft we need a QB worse than any other team picking in the top 10 (assuming Manning plays another couple/few years), if anyone should be trading up to get one of the top talents it should be us.

I agree, we have the biggest need at QB. We are the team that should be moving up. The way I see it, we need to come away with Luck, Barkley, or RG3. Period. And that order is also my order of preference.

SFREDSKIN · 12-19-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I agree, we have the biggest need at QB. We are the team that should be moving up. The way I see it, we need to come away with Luck, Barkley, or RG3. Period. And that order is also my order of preference.

Agreed.

SmootSmack · 12-19-2011, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Goat

Ugh that's seems a big stretch i.e. bad value at 10th overall. I guess in this scenario I hope we trade w/ the Jags...

Truthishly, I'd have them taking one of those guys more in the 15-20 range. But I got lazy and didn't want to keep guessing picks

30gut · 12-19-2011, 09:21 PM

Using Smoot's scenario as a jump off......and the idea of the Ram's trading Bradford...

If the Browns jump up to draft RGIII what would do you think it would take to get Colt McCoy (who's career production is on par if not better then Sam's Bradfords)?

skinsfaninok · 12-19-2011, 10:34 PM

I dont see where some of u guys are coming up w these QB scenarios?? Lol rams trading Sam? No chance
Vikings trading ponder after half a season?? No chance and no to colt McCoy he sucks, small and avg arm, I'd rathe have Sanchez. As For Landry jones, I hope he stays at OU he needs it. I want Barkley or Luck obviously that's prob not gonna happen so RG or Tannenhill seems more likely

CrazyCanuck · 12-19-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait a minute. I stayed in school and got my degree. Heck, I even got my graduate degree...and I'm hardly set for life

Me too!!

SkinzWin · 12-19-2011, 11:18 PM

Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

Indianapolis Colts 1-13
New England - Loss (L)
@Baltimore - Loss (L)
Tennessee - Loss (W)
Houston - Loss
@Jacksonville - Loss

Minnesota Vikings 2-12
Denver - Loss (L)
@Detroit - Loss (L)
New Orleans - Loss (L)
@Washington - Loss
Chicago - Loss

St. Louis Rams 2-12
San Francisco - Loss (L)
@Seattle - Loss (L)
Cincinnati - Loss (L)
@Pittsburgh - Loss
San Francisco - Loss

Carolina Panthers 6-8
@Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
Atlanta - Win (L)
@Houston - Loss (W)
Tampa Bay - Win
@New Orleans - Loss

Miami Dolphins 5-9
Oakland - Loss (W)
Philadelphia - Win (L)
@Buffalo - Win (W)
@New England - Loss
New York Jets - Loss

Jacksonville Jaguars 4-10
San Diego - Win (L)
Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
@Atlanta - Loss (L)
@Tennessee - Loss
Indianapolis - Win

Washington Redskins 5-9
New York Jets - Loss (L)
New England - Loss (L)
@New York Giants - Loss (W)
Minnesota - Win
@Philadelphia - Loss

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10

skinsfaninok · 12-19-2011, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update....

Indianapolis Colts 1-13
New England - Loss (L)
@Baltimore - Loss (L)
Tennessee - Loss (W)
Houston - Loss
@Jacksonville - Loss

Minnesota Vikings 2-12
Denver - Loss (L)
@Detroit - Loss (L)
New Orleans - Loss (L)
@Washington - Loss
Chicago - Loss

St. Louis Rams 2-12
San Francisco - Loss (L)
@Seattle - Loss (L)
Cincinnati - Loss (L)
@Pittsburgh - Loss
San Francisco - Loss

Carolina Panthers 6-8
@Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
Atlanta - Win (L)
@Houston - Loss (W)
Tampa Bay - Win
@New Orleans - Loss

Miami Dolphins 5-9
Oakland - Loss (W)
Philadelphia - Win (L)
@Buffalo - Win (W)
@New England - Loss
New York Jets - Loss

Jacksonville Jaguars 4-10
San Diego - Win (L)
Tampa Bay - Loss (W)
@Atlanta - Loss (L)
@Tennessee - Loss
Indianapolis - Win

Washington Redskins 5-9
New York Jets - Loss (L)
New England - Loss (L)
@New York Giants - Loss (W)
Minnesota - Win
@Philadelphia - Loss

2012 Projected Draft Order **Note: Draft order subject to change**
1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16
2. St. Louis Rams 2-14
3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12
6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11
7. Miami Dolphins 5-11
8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10
9. Washington Redskins 6-10
10. Carolina Panthers 6-10

Actually I say Indy goes 2-14 w STL, so I think the Rams would actually get the 1st pick right?

SkinzWin · 12-20-2011, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Actually I say Indy goes 2-14 w STL, so I think the Rams would actually get the 1st pick right?

Do tied records go by head-to-head or strength of schedule? If it is head-to-head it would most definitely be St. Louis if that were to happen. But if it is S.O.S. then whoever has the lower strength would go first regardless of the heads up outcome.

12-19-2011, 06:33 PM	#92
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,020	Re: 2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III) I mean looking at the entire draft we need a QB worse than any other team picking in the top 10 (assuming Manning plays another couple/few years), if anyone should be trading up to get one of the top talents it should be us. __________________ Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes he eats you.

12-19-2011, 06:43 PM	#94
SFREDSKIN Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 6,501	Re: 2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III) I give up on who the Redskins will draft until the season is over, if they win their next 2 games many things can change, even if they only beat the Vikings. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

12-19-2011, 07:07 PM	#96
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,579	Re: 2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III) Well we do have a trading history (now) with the Jags, so hopefully we do trade with them. __________________ When in doubt, go with the SEC

12-19-2011, 09:21 PM	#100
30gut The Starter Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,075	Re: 2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III) Using Smoot's scenario as a jump off......and the idea of the Ram's trading Bradford... If the Browns jump up to draft RGIII what would do you think it would take to get Colt McCoy (who's career production is on par if not better then Sam's Bradfords)? __________________ No longer were NFL coaches dealing inflexibly with spread [QBs] in ways that caused stunted development for players like [A. Smith and Vick] now, the idea is to bring what the quarterback can do, and what he should do, together as an organic whole Last edited by 30gut; 12-19-2011 at 09:23 PM.

12-19-2011, 10:34 PM	#101
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,981	I dont see where some of u guys are coming up w these QB scenarios?? Lol rams trading Sam? No chance Vikings trading ponder after half a season?? No chance and no to colt McCoy he sucks, small and avg arm, I'd rathe have Sanchez. As For Landry jones, I hope he stays at OU he needs it. I want Barkley or Luck obviously that's prob not gonna happen so RG or Tannenhill seems more likely __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

12-19-2011, 11:18 PM	#103
SkinzWin Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 2,560	Re: 2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III) Last week I projected how the schedule would pan out for us and our draft prospects. Here is an update.... Indianapolis Colts 1-13 New England - Loss (L) @Baltimore - Loss (L) Tennessee - Loss (W) Houston - Loss @Jacksonville - Loss Minnesota Vikings 2-12 Denver - Loss (L) @Detroit - Loss (L) New Orleans - Loss (L) @Washington - Loss Chicago - Loss St. Louis Rams 2-12 San Francisco - Loss (L) @Seattle - Loss (L) Cincinnati - Loss (L) @Pittsburgh - Loss San Francisco - Loss Carolina Panthers 6-8 @Tampa Bay - Loss (W) Atlanta - Win (L) @Houston - Loss (W) Tampa Bay - Win @New Orleans - Loss Miami Dolphins 5-9 Oakland - Loss (W) Philadelphia - Win (L) @Buffalo - Win (W) @New England - Loss New York Jets - Loss Jacksonville Jaguars 4-10 San Diego - Win (L) Tampa Bay - Loss (W) @Atlanta - Loss (L) @Tennessee - Loss Indianapolis - Win Washington Redskins 5-9 New York Jets - Loss (L) New England - Loss (L) @New York Giants - Loss (W) Minnesota - Win @Philadelphia - Loss 2012 Projected Draft Order Note: Draft order subject to change 1. Indianapolis Colts 1-16 2. St. Louis Rams 2-14 3. Minnesota Vikings 2-14 4. Cleveland Browns 4-12 5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-12 6. Jacksonville Jaguars 5-11 7. Miami Dolphins 5-11 8. Kansas City Chiefs 6-10 9. Washington Redskins 6-10 10. Carolina Panthers 6-10 __________________ Sean Taylor #21 a Redskin forever... Draft winners, not stars. Hail to the Redskins Hail victory Braves on the warpath Block for RG3 Last edited by SkinzWin; 12-19-2011 at 11:47 PM.

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