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Old 12-20-2011, 01:21 PM   #121
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Re: 2012 Draft-QB Prospects (Part III)

Just food for thought, the Eli Manning deal years ago was swapping 1st round picks (1 & 4), a third in that draft plus 1st and 5th in the following year's draft.

When Cutler came out, the Broncos gave up a third to move up 4 spots from 15 to 11.

For Sanchez, the Jets gave up their 1st and 2nd plus three players to move from 17 to 5.

The Falcons this year gave up their 1st, 2nd and 4th plus 2011 1st and 4th round picks but they moved up 23 spots to get Julio Jones.

If we end up outside of the top 10 and want to get into the top 5, we will probably have to swap picks, plus at least a 3 this year and a 2 next year. I don't think it will cost two first round picks to move up if we are in the top 10 already unless we are trying to get to #1 from St. Louis to get Luck.
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Old 12-20-2011, 01:25 PM   #122
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Rick Snider: Here's the deal: The way for Redskins to draft a QB is via trade | Rick Snider | NFL | Washington Examiner
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Except for his moronic notion that the price starts at 3 first round picks which would be historically high. He's a terrible columnist.
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Just food for thought, the Eli Manning deal years ago was swapping 1st round picks (1 & 4), a third in that draft plus 1st and 5th in the following year's draft.

When Cutler came out, the Broncos gave up a third to move up 4 spots from 15 to 11.

For Sanchez, the Jets gave up their 1st and 2nd plus three players to move from 17 to 5.

The Falcons this year gave up their 1st, 2nd and 4th plus 2011 1st and 4th round picks but they moved up 23 spots to get Julio Jones.

If we end up outside of the top 10 and want to get into the top 5, we will probably have to swap picks, plus at least a 3 this year and a 2 next year. I don't think it will cost two first round picks to move up if we are in the top 10 already unless we are trying to get to #1 from St. Louis to get Luck.
The Broncos made multiple trades to move up from 29 to 22 to 15 to finally 11.
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Old 12-20-2011, 01:45 PM   #125
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The Broncos made multiple trades to move up from 29 to 22 to 15 to finally 11.
Do you know the sum total of what they gave up? I was trying to establish some realistic expectations of moving 7-10 spots into the top 5 by showing what other teams recently paid to move. Some of the speculation is ridiculous.
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Do you know the sum total of what they gave up? I was trying to establish some realistic expectations of moving 7-10 spots into the top 5 by showing what other teams recently paid to move. Some of the speculation is ridiculous.
Um. Let's see

2005: Traded 1st round pick to Redskins for 2005 3rd, 2006 1st, 2006 4th

2006: Traded 1st round pick (#29) to Falcons for 2006 1st (#15), 2006 3rd, and 2007 4th

(the #22 pick was part of a separate trade with SF)

2006: Traded #15 to Rams for #11, and 2006 3rd
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Old 12-20-2011, 02:02 PM   #127
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all the speculation is driving me crazy, i literally find myself looking at mock drafts and forums every single day, BUT nobody knows what is going to happen and i hate it!! all i want for christmas is 2 redskin close losses and a late gift in april with RG3 in burgundy and gold.
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Except for his moronic notion that the price starts at 3 first round picks which would be historically high. He's a terrible columnist.
3 first round picks? LOL Better get Luck for that price
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Except for his moronic notion that the price starts at 3 first round picks which would be historically high. He's a terrible columnist.
Where did he say that?
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Unless we address the QB position via trade or FA prior to the draft, I cannot see anything short of the big 3 at QB being our pick otherwise there will be an all out revolt among the fan base. While Shanny doesn't just do things based on that, he'd be foolish to expect otherwise.. I think we're at the crucial point where we have to make a bold move to secure the future at that position.
It's fun to predict and guess as a fan base. We do desperately need a QB, but there are many things that happen on draft day that we're not privy to. Maybe they like two guys and try to trade up but the price tag is too high. I don't want them to leverage our future, necessarily, just to get their guy. I hope the majority of Skins fans understand this. It's kind of funny, I can see this playing a couple ways.

1. Skins throw away / over pay for Luck/Griffin as usual.
2. Skins have a crappy draft b/c they don't get Luck / Griffin.

I guess I'm trying to say sh** happens and while I'd like to walk away w/ Luck/Griffin/or other we need to continue to draft good players. I trust them and expect them to be smart about it.

I know you know this, but while i'd be disappointed I'd be happy with another good draft. While Grossman is not our long term answer, he may be our answer next year.
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Where did he say that?
2nd to last paragraph..

"St. Louis probably will open the bidding at three first-rounders for their pick. Two firsts and a second over three years, maybe. Including a player would be difficult for the Redskins, who don't have much to offer other than linebackers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan and they're not expendable. Maybe Roy Helu, but the Rams have a running back."
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2nd to last paragraph..

"St. Louis probably will open the bidding at three first-rounders for their pick. Two firsts and a second over three years, maybe. Including a player would be difficult for the Redskins, who don't have much to offer other than linebackers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan and they're not expendable. Maybe Roy Helu, but the Rams have a running back."

First of all thats IDIOTIC to even say 3 first round picks for the 2nd pick.
2nd of all the Rams don't really have a RB because JAX is old as **** and is never healthy..

Does this guy watch the NFL?
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2nd to last paragraph..

"St. Louis probably will open the bidding at three first-rounders for their pick. Two firsts and a second over three years, maybe. Including a player would be difficult for the Redskins, who don't have much to offer other than linebackers Brian Orakpo and Ryan Kerrigan and they're not expendable. Maybe Roy Helu, but the Rams have a running back."
Oh Didn't read that far down
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I say that If we wanted to move up to number 2, from 8, it would cost our number one, our number 2 and next years number one. I would be OK with it if it lands us a potentially great QB. I see Barkley as the best fit for Shannahan's offense, but I would be satisfied with Luck, or RG3. With that said, I don't like any of the other QB's out there in the first round. Tannhil Hill has a long way to go and Landry Jones just seems not to have the "IT" factor. The fact that they take Landry Jones out of the game inside the ten yard line really bothers me. I think that Barkley comes in and wins with our offense immediately. Luck probably does the same. Rg3 will have to learn a new pro style offense and may have some growing pains year one, but he is super smart and probably has the highest ceiling.
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I say that If we wanted to move up to number 2, from 8, it would cost our number one, our number 2 and next years number one. I would be OK with it if it lands us a potentially great QB. I see Barkley as the best fit for Shannahan's offense, but I would be satisfied with Luck, or RG3. With that said, I don't like any of the other QB's out there in the first round. Tannhil Hill has a long way to go and Landry Jones just seems not to have the "IT" factor. The fact that they take Landry Jones out of the game inside the ten yard line really bothers me. I think that Barkley comes in and wins with our offense immediately. Luck probably does the same. Rg3 will have to learn a new pro style offense and may have some growing pains year one, but he is super smart and probably has the highest ceiling.
I like that, SuperSmart.

It's going to be a tough call if thats the price. St Louis would feel pretty good to slip 6 spots and get a 2nd this year and a 1st next year. If it's Luck, I'd say go for it. I don't know as much about RGIII but you'd have to consider it. Tough call. We're still very much a rebuilding team and need draft picks....high draft picks.
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