Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

Lotus · 12-24-2011, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Landry44

There is a lot to like about Nick Foles. He's a really good qb playing on a very bad team. He's very accurate passer, good pocket presence, big arm, great size, and elusive in the pocket. The only problem I have with him is that he's tends to stare down wrs.

What I haven't seen on him is a big arm - like I said, he throws rainbows when he should throw ropes. Also, the accuracy part seems overrated because of an abundance of short throws. I do appreciate the pocket presence part. Thanks for that.

mbedner3420 · 12-24-2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Landry44

There is a lot to like about Nick Foles. He's a really good qb playing on a very bad team. He's very accurate passer, good pocket presence, big arm, great size, and elusive in the pocket. The only problem I have with him is that he's tends to stare down wrs.

I'm pretty sure one of his biggest knocks is a weak arm...

Dirtbag59 · 12-24-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

But what is today, except yesterday's tomorrow?

Me no like big words.

Shadowbyte · 12-24-2011, 11:28 PM

If we don't get RG3 then I want Kellan Moore. Despite his physical short commings the kid is a straight baller. There's no way a guy that determined and accurate will fail in the NFL. I mean he only has 3 career losses, with only one you could actually blame him for. That's phenomenal.

skinsfaninok · 12-25-2011, 12:26 AM

Yeah I see what your saying shadow and Moore played plenty of good teams like GA, VT etc other than his conf games. He's a winner

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-25-2011, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Me no like big words.

Me like Madden.

SkinItup · 12-25-2011, 04:51 AM

How much should we give up to get Luck?

If the Rams get the first pick they might be willing to move back a few spots for a high price since they have so many needs.

I'd give them 1st, 2nd, and 4th in 2012 and 1st and 3rd in 2013 and maybe swap our 1st for their 3rd in 2014.

It is a high price trade-wise but with the rookie wage cap we can have a starting qb for just alittle over 5 million a year for a few years. That is a bargin. We can then afford to put some talent around him in FA.

CultBrennan59 · 12-25-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinItup

How much should we give up to get Luck?

If the Rams get the first pick they might be willing to move back a few spots for a high price since they have so many needs.

I'd give them 1st, 2nd, and 4th in 2012 and 1st and 3rd in 2013 and maybe swap our 1st for their 3rd in 2014.

It is a high price trade-wise but with the rookie wage cap we can have a starting qb for just alittle over 5 million a year for a few years. That is a bargin. We can then afford to put some talent around him in FA.

Great Question, Glazer said the asking price is possibly 3 first rounders.

Thats the max I would do for this 'sure thing' of a prospect. I would swap first rounders this year with the rams, throw in DHall and Jamal Brown if they want him. Then I would trade them my first rounder in 2013 and 2015. I would also trade my 2nd rounder in 2012. I would consider trading Landry as well. The Rams need a CB and a OT so thats why I'd throw in those two. If its the Colts, well, it ain't happening.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 12-25-2011, 11:50 AM

Swap 1sts in 2012, 1st in 2013, 1st in 2015, and swap 2nds in 2013. They don't get Hall or Landry. Maybe Brown but I like his depth.

CultBrennan59 · 12-25-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Someone sell me on Foles. When I've seen him play, I see a QB who pads his stats by throwing short a lot. I also see a QB who throws rainbows when he should be throwing ropes. It is not that I think he is bad - he just seems overrated to me.

He's like a Jay Cutler, great player on a bad team. His OL isn't nearly as good as Andrew Lucks or Matt Barkley's. His receivers aren't nearly as good as Barkleys. He has a rocket arm, NFL size. When you watch him play he looks like he has a few traits of a Brady/Rothlisberger/Matt Ryan/Joe Flacco/Jay Cutler. Some say that he stares down his receivers for a long time. That is some what true. Judge for yourself.

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Landry44 · 12-25-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

What I haven't seen on him is a big arm - like I said, he throws rainbows when he should throw ropes. Also, the accuracy part seems overrated because of an abundance of short throws. I do appreciate the pocket presence part. Thanks for that.

He does have a big arm. He also puts the ball down field a lot. It's obvious that you haven't seen many of his games. The guy is a baller.

Lotus · 12-25-2011, 12:23 PM

I have watched Foles and I do not see anything like a "big arm." And I am not alone in this observation. In the absence of better arguments, I will continue to consider him overrated.

Landry44 · 12-25-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

I have watched Foles and I do not see anything like a "big arm." And I am not alone in this observation. In the absence of better arguments, I will continue to consider him overrated.

What games have you watched?

Dirtbag59 · 12-25-2011, 02:03 PM

Alright new plans.

Plan A:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
2nd - BPA - Preferably an ILB, Safety, or an OL
Sign Matt Flynn to contract and try to shoot for RG3, Barkley, or Jones next year.

Plan B:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
Late 1st - Nick Foles - QB - Arizona State
Trade 2nd and 3rd to move up into late first to take Foles.

Plan B-2:
1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST
2nd - Nick Foles - QB - Arizona State
Expect Foles to drop to our spot in the scond.

I've accepted that Kellen Moore will be a slightly rich mans Cult Brennan.

musicmaster45 · 12-25-2011, 03:48 PM

Plan B. Idk i wanna a qb that can be with us for a while young.

12-24-2011, 11:28 PM	#169
Shadowbyte Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 383	Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV) If we don't get RG3 then I want Kellan Moore. Despite his physical short commings the kid is a straight baller. There's no way a guy that determined and accurate will fail in the NFL. I mean he only has 3 career losses, with only one you could actually blame him for. That's phenomenal.

12-25-2011, 12:26 AM	#170
skinsfaninok Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norman, OK Age: 26 Posts: 12,994	Yeah I see what your saying shadow and Moore played plenty of good teams like GA, VT etc other than his conf games. He's a winner __________________ Robert Griffin III "if you're good at something, never do it for free"- The Joker

12-25-2011, 04:51 AM	#172
SkinItup Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 155	Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV) How much should we give up to get Luck? If the Rams get the first pick they might be willing to move back a few spots for a high price since they have so many needs. I'd give them 1st, 2nd, and 4th in 2012 and 1st and 3rd in 2013 and maybe swap our 1st for their 3rd in 2014. It is a high price trade-wise but with the rookie wage cap we can have a starting qb for just alittle over 5 million a year for a few years. That is a bargin. We can then afford to put some talent around him in FA.

12-25-2011, 11:50 AM	#174
EARTHQUAKE2689 You did WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In The Kitchen With Dyna. Age: 24 Posts: 11,005	Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV) Swap 1sts in 2012, 1st in 2013, 1st in 2015, and swap 2nds in 2013. They don't get Hall or Landry. Maybe Brown but I like his depth. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpp3ycMvQd0 This is why you need Mentos. To justify your questionable problem solving skills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7geP5ev0VI Awesome isn't it.

12-25-2011, 12:23 PM	#177
Lotus Mann Up HOF! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 8,906	Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV) I have watched Foles and I do not see anything like a "big arm." And I am not alone in this observation. In the absence of better arguments, I will continue to consider him overrated. __________________ Rooting for the Dallas Cowboys should be recognized as a treatable mental disorder.

12-25-2011, 02:03 PM	#179
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 27 Posts: 13,956	Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV) Alright new plans. Plan A: 1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST 2nd - BPA - Preferably an ILB, Safety, or an OL Sign Matt Flynn to contract and try to shoot for RG3, Barkley, or Jones next year. Plan B: 1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST Late 1st - Nick Foles - QB - Arizona State Trade 2nd and 3rd to move up into late first to take Foles. Plan B-2: 1st - Justin Blackmon - WR - OKST 2nd - Nick Foles - QB - Arizona State Expect Foles to drop to our spot in the scond. I've accepted that Kellen Moore will be a slightly rich mans Cult Brennan. __________________ Flacco is 1337 Fanclub President

12-25-2011, 03:48 PM	#180
musicmaster45 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 373	Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV) Plan B. Idk i wanna a qb that can be with us for a while young. __________________ Shanahann loves the colleges i do...... Purdue and Nebraska FTW!!!!

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