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Old 12-26-2011, 01:43 AM   #181
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Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

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Foles has a much better deep ball than someone like Ryan Tannehill. A much better sense of timing, and I think he has a good concept for calculated risk. He doesn't always elude the pressure well, but he has a good sense of when time is running out. Gets through progressions quickly (maybe too quickly). He'll throw it to his first read if he thinks he can get the ball in, whether or not it is his best throw. I like the way he throws the shorter passes with zip and authority (although Tannehill is also quite good at this).

There are things I don't like about Foles, but I don't know if I would agree on your criticisms. I think the padding the stats argument implies that he's trading in winning throws for easier ones, and I never got that sense that Foles is looking only for the easy completion. I think he's looking for the first completion, but he's not averse to extending the play to let someone get open. As for rainbows vs. ropes, I would just point at his completion percentage and ascending YPA and suggest that it's probably not much of an issue.

I think he can both play within a scheme and create on his own, and that makes him a great fit for what we do. Some guys (Romo for example) struggle when you limit them to scheme throws and timing. Others (Grossman) really struggle to create outside the pocket. Foles can do both. And more importantly, he's accurate doing both.

Biggest knock on him: that he's not a good athlete at all. But he is a solid first round quarterback.
Fair enough GTripp. Excellent review. Thanks for that.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:56 AM   #182
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Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

I'm trying to think of recent first round pick quarterbacks who weren't really great athletes. I guess there were a couple. Bradford isn't a great athlete. Leinart doesn't move that well. Rivers is well built, but doesn't get to display his athleticism much. Peyton is a bit underrated as an athlete, but he's still more statue than anything. And, well, then there was the 2003 draft which totally broke script (Palmer, Leftwich, Grossman).

By and large, the tendency for teams with first round quarterbacks is to lean towards passers who are also pretty good athletes. Luck, RG3, and Tannehill are fantastic athletes. Foles and Landry Jones are rather bow-legged. In recent history, those who lack athleticism have had a tough time getting picked high at the QB position. They are not the prototype anymore, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't consider them.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:48 AM   #183
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Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

NFL.com news: With Barkley now out of picture, attention turns to Griffin
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Old 12-26-2011, 06:48 PM   #184
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Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

Lots of information about Griffin there. Makes him sound much more like a project QB (at the pro level) than most comments would lead you to believe.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:32 PM   #185
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Well, taking into consideration all of the info or speculation or rumors or all of it just rolled into one basket and jostled around and threw up in the air and then it all fell and rolled on the ground for a while, there are two names that I wouldnt be TOO shocked to see in the Burgandy and gold next year.

Those two are Philip Rivers and Matt Schaub...........and I guess I would throw in the Packers backup as well, Flynn, but, given everyones circumstances, possible scenarios point to those two "possibly" being available to us by trade, be it by players or picks or both.......to an extent.

fyi just throwing those two names out there........in hopes that in doing that, it distracts people from the new "Mark Sanchize thread started by someone here.......*(vomits in mouth)*, ok, im back, yeah, no chance of getting the above two guys, just please, oh please do not trade anything over a 3rd for sanchez.........god damn it......if shanny and company gave a 2nd and a 4th for mcflabb, what the hell are they gonna chuck on over to the meadowlands for their underacheiving prettyboy...........
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Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

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Lots of information about Griffin there. Makes him sound much more like a project QB (at the pro level) than most comments would lead you to believe.
Very accurate report, that's why Luck and Barkley were consider 1 and 2, because of the pro style offenses they played on. Griffin is great just not as polished, however he has a great upside cause he's very smart and I'm sure could pick things up quickly.
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Lots of information about Griffin there. Makes him sound much more like a project QB (at the pro level) than most comments would lead you to believe.
Definitely exposes Griffin's downside. Of course, my biggest question of him was how quickly could he adjust to a pro style offense. The BIGGEST piece of info from that link is the fact that the DC reads the defenses and not RG III. In my personal opinion, what makes an NFL QB great is the fact that he's top notch at reading defenses. He doesn't have to have to necessarily have a huge arm or be able to run, but he must be able to read defenses and audible out of bad plays.

I do agree though, I think if you can develop RG III and develop his skills at reading defenses, you can have a championship caliber QB. BUT, I think that means drafting him with the knowledge that he's not going near the field his entire first season.
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Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

Barkley's a cheater?
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Definitely exposes Griffin's downside. Of course, my biggest question of him was how quickly could he adjust to a pro style offense. The BIGGEST piece of info from that link is the fact that the DC reads the defenses and not RG III. In my personal opinion, what makes an NFL QB great is the fact that he's top notch at reading defenses. He doesn't have to have to necessarily have a huge arm or be able to run, but he must be able to read defenses and audible out of bad plays.

I do agree though, I think if you can develop RG III and develop his skills at reading defenses, you can have a championship caliber QB. BUT, I think that means drafting him with the knowledge that he's not going near the field his entire first season.
Good post...hard to disagree w/ your thinking here.
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:13 AM   #190
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Re: Matt Barkley Stays (QB Draft Prospect Thread-Episode IV)

I would think RG will learn fast as he is........Super Smart, right?
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Old 12-27-2011, 12:34 PM   #191
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Don't believe the hype. RG3 is worthy of a top 5 pick. And Barkley wants to be the first overall selection not by merit but, by avoiding his competition. He thinks he'll have a better chance next next year but, lame cheaters like him never win. I hope RG3 stock falls so the team doesn't have to deal away picks to get fresh blood at the QB position.
I'm not believing the hype on either side of the argument to be honest. I think RG III is a gifted athlete. I think he's a very smart guy. And I find it hard to believe that he has absolutely no knowledge of reading defensive schemes. But, I do think he isn't going to be ready to start from day one. I think a lot of his fans are blinded by his athleticism. I wouldn't be so quick to slap the letter 'S' on his chest and give him a red cape. However, with time, I DO think RG III is intelligent enough to pick up things quickly and he could make a big difference in the NFL. Like the article said, he could be a championship caliber player.

I see Andrew Luck starting from day one. Can't really say the same for the other guys in the draft. Which probably makes the Sanchez thread all the more interesting.
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I have no idea why people keep making a big deal out of players coming out of a pro style offense. Sam Bradford didn't come out of a pro style offense and he was able to start right a way. Cam Newton didn't come out of a pro style offense and he's setting rookie passing records. Sanchez came out of a pro style offense and he sucks. Matt Leinart also come out of the same offense and had the privilege of sitting behind a future hall of fame qb for a few year and still wasn't able to adjust to the NFL. Players don't have hard time picking up the offense of defensive systems. That has never been proven to a true. They have a hard time adjusting to the speed of the game. There is no doubt in my mind that RG3 will have no problems picking up our offense and being ready to start day one.
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I have no idea why people keep making a big deal out of players coming out of a pro style offense. Sam Bradford didn't come out of a pro style offense and he was able to start right a way. Cam Newton didn't come out of a pro style offense and he's setting rookie passing records. Sanchez came out of a pro style offense and he sucks. Matt Leinart also come out of the same offense and had the privilege of sitting behind a future hall of fame qb for a few year and still wasn't able to adjust to the NFL. Players don't have hard time picking up the offense of defensive systems. That has never been proven to a true. They have a hard time adjusting to the speed of the game. There is no doubt in my mind that RG3 will have no problems picking up our offense and being ready to start day one.
I commend your unwavering support for RG III. Honestly, I think whenever he decides to enter the NFL, if he does, he'll make some sort of impact. And yes, just because a quarterback runs a pro style offense in college doesn't necessarily mean he's going to transition into the NFL successfully, but it does help. My idea focuses more on the quarterback's ability to read defenses - coverages and schemes. If what is said is true about his coordinator reading the defensive schemes and signaling in the plays, then I believe that's a major drawback and one that would greatly limit a quarterback and his chances of starting from day one. So, in that respect, I'd have to respectfully disagree in saying RG III would start from day one.

I also have to say with you mentioning Cam Newton, we all know Carolina has tweaked their offense to tailor it around Newton's abilities and strengths. You're not going to get that out of Kyle Shanahan. He wants the right fit for HIS offense. I'm not sure if RG III is that guy or not. I definitely don't believe he is right out of the box. It would take time to develop RG III into that style of quarterback. Now, I have no doubt RG III couldn't be developed into that quarterback, but I just have doubts about him being as prepared as Andrew Luck.
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Barkley's a cheater?
Well I played him in Madden and he kept "nano-blitzing"
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Yes, he's trying to set the deck. He'll be a 8th year senior in 2016 having a press conference talking about, "I've decided to come back another year..." just because other QBs are earning "his" limelight. Pu$$y.
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