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Old 12-30-2011, 09:18 AM   #226
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Nope.
Why would anyone wonder that after this game?

I thought we were evaluating Griffin's skillset not Baylor's offense.

Either way I don't see how Baylor's offense is anymore 'gimicky' then any other collegiate offense spread or non-spread all offenses scheme to get their primary receiver open in the first progression read.
Look at Stanford for example they use power running formations and play-action with a lot of motions and shifts to get favorable match-ups that favor their personnel (TEs).
Consequently Luck is often throwing to a wide open Fleener.

Ditto:Barkley, Weeden etc...

This game re-affirmed what I've been seeing all season:

o a playmaking QB; comfortable in the face of pressure and has the ability to extend the play with ease

o ability to pick up yards running

o can make throws on the run going right or left

o above average velocity and above average distance throwing deep

o can throw from different angles

o solid decision maker

....etc
Total respect for you and your opinions on QBs...but you gotta take John Dalton Beck off your sig, because it's lowering your credibility on QBs
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:30 AM   #227
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I watched the game last night Almo Bowl. Great game. What I saw in RGIII was ATL Vick. Lots of running very little actual QBing. Based on that game only and I know that is stupid to do but I would pass on him. I don't see him working in this O.
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Old 12-30-2011, 10:55 AM   #228
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I watched the game last night Almo Bowl. Great game. What I saw in RGIII was ATL Vick. Lots of running very little actual QBing. Based on that game only and I know that is stupid to do but I would pass on him. I don't see him working in this O.
Imo the only limitations that would prevent him from working in this offense would come more from scheme rigidity and inability to quickly teach the scheme, his skillset is such that Griffin would be a fit in this offense or any other.

And even if all you saw from RGIII in that game was ATL Vick its still an overwhelming compliment.
Lets not forget that Mike Vick's skillset made him the unquestioned 1st pick in his draft class.

About the running: If his coach calls a zone-read and the DE takes the RB what do you want him to do? Not run?
He can only execute the plays that are called.
If the pocket is collapsing and a QB is about to get sacked, what do you want them to do? Get sacked simply so they won't be running?

His ability to run is a bonus not a negative.

Also there was plenty of 'actual QBing' going on, you just need to know what you're looking at.

But you're right though judging him from this game alone is stupid even if you didn't understand what you saw.
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Imo the only limitations that would prevent him from working in this offense would come more from scheme rigidity and inability to quickly teach the scheme, his skillset is such that Griffin would be a fit in this offense or any other.

And even if all you saw from RGIII in that game was ATL Vick its still an overwhelming compliment.
Lets not forget that Mike Vick's skillset made him the unquestioned 1st pick in his draft class.

About the running: If his coach calls a zone-read and the DE takes the RB what do you want him to do? Not run?
He can only execute the plays that are called.
If the pocket is collapsing and a QB is about to get sacked, what do you want them to do? Get sacked simply so they won't be running?

His ability to run is a bonus not a negative.

Also there was plenty of 'actual QBing' going on, you just need to know what you're looking at.

But you're right though judging him from this game alone is stupid even if you didn't understand what you saw.

I don't think the guy was ever under center once in that game. If you gave me a choice of Luck, RGIII or Bradford. RGII would be my last choice and Bradford my first.

That is just my uneducated guess on him, just like yours, I am assuming that you are not a paid professional scout for a NFL organization.

We are all arm chair QB's here.
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I don't think the guy was ever under center once in that game[He was]. If you gave me a choice of Luck, RGIII or Bradford. RGII would be my last choice and Bradford my first.
But even if Griff wasn't under center much what difference does it makes?
Bradford, the QB you point out as your top choice below, wasn't under center very much either.


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That is just my uneducated guess on him, just like yours, I am assuming that you are not a paid professional scout for a NFL organization. We are all arm chair QB's here.
No doubt.
We are all armchair scouts here.
But not being a paid scout for an NFL organization doesn't preclude me from having an educated opinion.
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But even if Griff wasn't under center much what difference does it makes?
Bradford, the QB you point out as your top choice below, wasn't under center very much either.


No doubt.
We are all armchair scouts here.
But not being a paid scout for an NFL organization doesn't preclude me from having an educated opinion.

I picked Bradford over the other two becasue I have seen him be successful in the actual NFL, until RG III and Luck take a snap in a actual NFL game you don't know what you have in them.

Actual it does, you can have a opinion it is just not educated. If you walked into a scout's office in the NFL and said your opinion they probably laugh and send you on your way. Their opinions are educated ours are not.

It is fun to say what the Skins should do and not do, evaluate talent etc... but when the day is done none of us are experts. Unfortunately some of us on here a bit delusional to that fact, not singling you out 30Gut just saying.
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I picked Bradford over the other two becasue I
have seen him be successful in the actual NFL, until RG III and Luck take a snap in a actual NFL game you don't know what you have in them.
The above scenario choosing between the 3 was your scenario not mine.

In your previous post you cited RGIII's limited reps (under center) as a negative.
But whether you dismiss it or not the QB that you chose as the best in your scenario wasn't under center much as a college QB.


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Actual it does, you can have a opinion it is just not educated.
You do understand the difference between an educated opinion and a professional opinion right?

I don't need to give my resume for people to know my opinions are educated.
People can read my opinions and decide for themselves.

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If you walked into a scout's office in the NFL and said your opinion they probably laugh and send you on your way.
Maybe so but maybe they would judge my opinion based on its content rather than an assumption about my background.

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Their opinions are educated ours are not
Their opinions are considered professional.
But the notion that only professional scouts can have educated opinions on football prospects is absurd.
Coaches on all levels have educated opinions on player evaluations.

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It is fun to say what the Skins should do and not do, evaluate talent etc... but when the day is done none of us are experts. Unfortunately some of us on here a bit delusional to that fact, not singling you out 30Gut just saying.
If you're uncomfortable being challenged on an opinion or statement it doesn't make me or anyone else out to be an expert.
I never give my thoughts as anything other then my opinion.
But, I will support my opinions and thoughts and challenge other peoples opinions and thoughts that I don't understand or question.

That doesn't make me delusional, i'm just a dude that's passionate about football.
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The above scenario choosing between the 3 was your scenario not mine.

In your previous post you cited RGIII limited reps as a negative.
But whether you dismiss it or not the QB that you chose as the best in your scenario wasn't under center much as a college QB.


You do understand the difference between an educated opinion and a professional opinion right?

I don't need to give my resume for people to know my opinions are educated.
People can read my opinions and decide for themselves.

Maybe so but maybe they would judge my opinion based on its content rather than an assumption about my background.

Their opinions are considered professional.
But the notion that only professional scouts can have educated opinions on football prospects is absurd.
Coaches on all levels have educated opinions on player evaluations.

If you're uncomfortable being challenged on an opinion or statement it doesn't make me or anyone else out to be an expert.
I never give my thoughts as anything other then my opinion.
But, I will support my opinions and thoughts and challenge other peoples opinions and thoughts that I don't understand or question.

That doesn't make me delusional, i'm just a dude that's passionate about football.
All this and your avatar is John Beck.

Appreciate your feedback.

"To be a professional you must be educated in your profession." ~seems to make sense.
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All this and your avatar is John Beck.

Appreciate your feedback.

"To be a professional you must be educated in your profession." ~seems to make sense.
Why do we have a John Beck avatar?
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:54 PM   #235
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SIR.....Why, Pray tell do you harbor that confounded image of the....... huckster.....John Beck?
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We have a John Beck avatar, yet no Colt Brennan avatar??? I mean c'mon man!
One of the most legendary avatars on this board is dedicated to him.

Pineapple Jesus ring a bell?
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One of the most legendary avatars on this board is dedicated to him.

Pineapple Jesus ring a bell?
I think it only fair if we have a Pineapple Jesus avatar then we get on the ball with the Sexy Rexy logo avatar. I think Sumo can make some changes to get this a nice burgundy and gold.

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All this and your avatar is John Beck.

Appreciate your feedback.
So rather then.......I don't know........ discuss the QBs you wanna shift/change the topic and talk about my avatar?

And quibble over semantics:
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"To be a professional you must be educated in your profession." ~seems to make sense.
Funny, I never saw where I said I was a professional?

Anyway, good day.
I must not know what I'm talking about because I have John Beck as an avatar.
And I'm delusional for questioning your negative assessment of RGIII based completely off of 1 game where he actually played well?

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Total respect for you and your opinions on QBs...but you gotta take John Dalton Beck off your sig, because it's lowering your credibility on QBs
lol see what you started?
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I think it only fair if we have a Pineapple Jesus avatar then we get on the ball with the Sexy Rexy logo avatar. I think Sumo can make some changes to get this a nice burgundy and gold.

Rex already has an avatar, I think that's one too many as it is.
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Rex already has an avatar, I think that's one too many as it is.
But The Pineapple Jesus gets two? He's not even with the team anymore. I think you need to cut some slack here. You just know it would go over too well and everyone would have that as their avatar. With johnny5dickey being first in line....
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