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Old 01-01-2012, 11:13 AM   #16
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RG III's mom aka 30Gut must be overwhelmed with joy.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:38 AM   #18
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very good news.
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:45 AM   #19
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But unless the Redskins change their offense to fit his style of play, which I do not believe they will do, is it worth giving up that much for a player who may not even been the best possible choice at QB for the offensive system we run? I don't think so.
What makes you think that we would have to change our scheme to fit his skill set? He he's smart, mobile, and accurate with short, intermediate, and deep passes. What exactly would we have to change?
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Old 01-01-2012, 07:21 PM   #20
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Re: What is RG3 worth to us?

I think the redskins are in good shape to draft RGIII if he comes out.they will pick #6 and other than Luck going #1 to colts,the other teams ahead of us don't need a QB.
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I think the redskins are in good shape to draft RGIII if he comes out.they will pick #6 and other than Luck going #1 to colts,the other teams ahead of us don't need a QB.
Please remember other teams can trade up and the browns might be looking for a QB.
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Old 01-01-2012, 08:08 PM   #22
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I am going to respond to this as I did with the Luck thread. We are in no position to give up picks to move up 10 spots to get RG III. Say you did get RG III, but the D is still suspect and suffers from lack of depth at the LB and DB positions. Also, our line isn't the best either. Want to keep your wonderboy healthy? Put a solid line behind him! Like I said before, too many potential starting QB coming out of this draft to focus in on one guy. Keep the picks, we still will get a great QB.
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Old 01-01-2012, 08:19 PM   #23
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I am going to respond to this as I did with the Luck thread. We are in no position to give up picks to move up 10 spots to get RG III. Say you did get RG III, but the D is still suspect and suffers from lack of depth at the LB and DB positions. Also, our line isn't the best either. Want to keep your wonderboy healthy? Put a solid line behind him! Like I said before, too many potential starting QB coming out of this draft to focus in on one guy. Keep the picks, we still will get a great QB.
who besides luck and RG3 are even 1st round qbs? i doubt landry jones comes out since he sucked to end the season, and even if he did i dont think hes all that great. tannehill? does not wow whatsoever. foles? he could be a good guy to develop, but i dont see the depth that you keep mentioning. barkley staying in school really hurt this qb class.
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Old 01-01-2012, 08:25 PM   #24
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who besides luck and RG3 are even 1st round qbs? i doubt landry jones comes out since he sucked to end the season, and even if he did i dont think hes all that great. tannehill? does not wow whatsoever. foles? he could be a good guy to develop, but i dont see the depth that you keep mentioning. barkley staying in school really hurt this qb class.
I agree. Not very excited about any qbs in this draft. Flynn and Sanchez may be our best bets
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But unless the Redskins change their offense to fit his style of play, which I do not believe they will do, is it worth giving up that much for a player who may not even been the best possible choice at QB for the offensive system we run? I don't think so.
This right here says it all. I think RG III goes to a team that brings in a new offensive system at the same time, and one with a head coach/offensive coordinator who's willing to build that new offense around RG III's strengths. I don't think you have that in Washington.
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who besides luck and RG3 are even 1st round qbs? i doubt landry jones comes out since he sucked to end the season, and even if he did i dont think hes all that great. tannehill? does not wow whatsoever. foles? he could be a good guy to develop, but i dont see the depth that you keep mentioning. barkley staying in school really hurt this qb class.
Landry Jones is declaring. Tannehill could also be a late first/early 2nd round pick and there have been whispers Redskins are interested in him.
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I am going to respond to this as I did with the Luck thread. We are in no position to give up picks to move up 10 spots to get RG III. Say you did get RG III, but the D is still suspect and suffers from lack of depth at the LB and DB positions. Also, our line isn't the best either. Want to keep your wonderboy healthy? Put a solid line behind him! Like I said before, too many potential starting QB coming out of this draft to focus in on one guy. Keep the picks, we still will get a great QB.
Math is your friend. We have the #6 pick, the highest we would need to get to is #2, that's 4 picks.

Also, why would you put a line behind the QB? Is this a new offense I'm unfamiliar with?

Ok, done messing with you.

That being said, I think you are forgetting about free agency. We can address 3 key positions in free agency-RT, WR, CB and still be flexible enough to make a move in the draft if we need to.

Realistically, the price will be similar to what the Giants gave up for Manning. Swap 1sts, send an additional 2nd and 4th plus next year 1st and 5th. Is it a lot? Sure it is. Is it worth it if he solves the QB position for the next decade? You bet your ass it is..

Here's the thing with the 'we can't afford to give up picks' argument. It doesn't matter how many picks you have or really where it is in the draft. It matters what you do with them. We saw Vinny squander 10 picks in 2008 that crippled this team. That should have been a foundation for the next 8 years, instead we have a tight end who is a joint away from a year suspension and that's it! Over the past 2 years we've picked 18 players and 12 will likely be contributing to the team for years. Because of that, we don't need a full draft class to come in and play, we can afford to make a move for a position of need.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:26 PM   #28
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New Orleans and Houston got their QBs through free agency. If the team is going to go after Luck or even RG3, they will need to sacrifice picks and fill other holes through free agency. There's a big difference between Vinny's way of free agency and a normal GM's way. Aside from the boneheaded moves at QB, our front office has shown some good judgement in terms of free agency.
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Old 01-02-2012, 10:29 PM   #29
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I'm hoping your joking here.

If not, let me grill you like I will grill everyone else on this board who suggest using FA in a rebuilding way.

You use Free Agency if you have quick-patch fixes on your team. You're never going to have continuity if your always bringing in new guys.

Free agency can also be cancerous to your team. Albert Haynesworth. He got paid and quit playing. Adam Archuleta. He got paid and became a bench player. Brandon Lloyd. He never scored a TD in his career with us. Dana Stublefield. OJ Atogwe. We paid him; he has now been benched.

Green Bay. Pittsburgh. New Orleans. New England. Baltimore. New York. Atlanta. Now Houston and Detroit. What do these teams have in common? They build their teams through the draft and are in the playoffs (with most of these teams in the playoffs year in and year out.

Do you know how many starters/big name FA's all 7 teams signed?
A Combined 8. That's an average of 1 per team, with Green Bay and Pitt signing 0.

Look back to 09. The saints were weak at one area, secondary. They went out and signed Darren Sharper and Jabarri Greer. That went from a weakness to a strength. Now their in the playoffs every year, cause they had a Quick Fix which could be done in FA. (They also didn't go out an get the Big name guys like Dawkins or Dunta Robinson.)

Baltimore for as long as I can remember, signs one Free Agent every year, so that they can maintain continuity.

Green Bay has every single starter on their offense Drafted by them. Not one single FA.

Philly this year pulled a Redskins signing Nnamdi, Cullen Jenkins, Steve Smith, Vince Young, Ronnie Brown, (and traded for DRC). How did that work?

Free Agency was made, like I said as a 'oh we need just a CB and a veteran WR that knows what he's doing.' No as a "we need a CB, RB, WR, QB, ILB, OT, OG, we can address as much of that as we can in FA and the rest in the draft since that comes after FA."

Now I understand you say we get just 3 positions in FA and the rest in the draft, but already thats 1 maybe 2 positions more than we need to get in Free Agency instead of the draft. This is that super bowl mentality of 'well we need these couple of positions in FA and the rest in the draft, then we'll be a better team.'

No we won't be better, we are about 13 positions away from becoming a 'contender'. So with that said, we need to go the old MAX of 2 Free Agents an offseason, and draft and develop what we got and evaluate what else we need the next offseason.


So, to summarize; Don't suggest we need to get more than 2 guys in FA relating back to old bad habbits, because that, in part is one of the reasons we're bad, and I'm just going to copy and paste this post to the next skins fan who 'truly' wants us to get better by us using an old bad habit of addressing multiple needs in FA, to 'solve' our problems.
Not joking at all, which is why if you read what I wrote, I specified three positions where FA can help us rather than saying we can spend boldly to address the laundry list of positional need you mentioned.

There is no one way to rebuild a team. The Steelers and Packers are bad examples because they didn't REBUILD, they already had outstanding bases of talent that they are building upon. But even they have players that originated on other teams (Woodson, Ryan Grant, Ryan Clark) as well. They used free agency, just better than we have.

Signing free agents isn't a bad thing. Signing the WRONG free agents is. The Haynesworth, Archuleta (really? still using this example) argument is just lazy and frankly dumb. How did London Fletcher get to the Redskins, free agency. You mentioned Atlanta, Michael Turner-free agent, John Abraham-free agent.

Just as Kerrigan was a great draft pick, Kelly and Thomas were awful picks. As I said before, it doesn't matter how many picks you have, it's what you do with them. Same as free agency. Doesn't matter if you do 1, 2, 6, 8, 22. If you do it well and better than anyone else you'll have success.
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Free agency can also be cancerous to your team. Albert Haynesworth. He got paid and quit playing. Adam Archuleta. He got paid and became a bench player. Brandon Lloyd. He never scored a TD in his career with us. Dana Stublefield. OJ Atogwe. We paid him; he has now been benched.

Green Bay. Pittsburgh. New Orleans. New England. Baltimore. New York. Atlanta. Now Houston and Detroit. What do these teams have in common? They build their teams through the draft and are in the playoffs (with most of these teams in the playoffs year in and year out.
pittsburg drafted holmes in the 1st and gave him away for a 5th. how did jeff george work out? bad picks are bad picks whether they're in the draft or FA, so let's be careful about the drafting is the only option routine. detriot? really? the team that went 0-16 and will get bounced from th playoffs in 2 games with about 42 top 5 picks... that's the example? how'd joey harrington work out btw?

the saints built through the draft? you mean like when they signed drew brees as a FA and finally ended about 432 years of losing?

new england signs FAs/trades pretty consistently. moss, dillon, ocho, welker, branch, etc etc.

the other three do draft well and are mainly comprised of picks.

but this last year we signed otagwe, wilson, cofield, bowen to big deals and tons of smaller deals (gaffney etc - FAR more than your 2 FA limit), and guess what? they worked out (otagwe is a meh).

we need 4 players - OL, QB, CB, WR and we have 2 picks where we might be able to expect help this year, so at least 2 are going to be FA signings if we want some re-assurance they'll be filled.

QB and CB are the most expensive in FA cause there just isn't much there (flynn, grimes, rogers and that's almost it). I wouldn't mind signing any of those guys and/or a WR and/or grubbs... that's 0-4, but I'd say we need at least 2 and our picks to be competitive next year (and no i don't think we should expect to wait 3 more years for the playoffs).

this isn't cerrato handing out stupid contracts to bad players, so let's get over that. haynesworth and archuleta, lloyd, hall, etc were regarded as mistakes WHEN THEY WERE SIGNED. It was bad FO evaluation and the fans don't have any control over that.
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