What is RG3 worth to us?

SmootSmack · 01-19-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

IF fins & browns trading is really in the works, I would be surprised if the Rams don't get into that action. The rams can really parlay that #2 into an awful lot. Even if Miami knows that the rams don't want RGIII, the very real possibility of other teams offering for that pick to get him makes it worth a lot.

We are as desperate as anybody to get a franchise qb, but I feel good about Allen & Shanny making a deal.

Sometimes being in a prime position like the Rams are is a detriment. Perhaps they're asking price will come down but most of what I've heard indicates that they want something along the lines of 5-6 highs picks and possibly players, so something like 2012 1st, 2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd and John Beck. That's a lot to ask...especially asking us to give up John Beck.

So they may price themselves out if they don't bring their demand down. On the other hand, they may hold their ground and refuse to bring their demand down

NYCskinfan82 · 01-19-2012, 11:40 AM

The Skins have to remember we are only 4 picks away from the Lambs, we can't give up to much to trade up, they want our picks just as much as we want their pick.

GTripp0012 · 01-19-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And I don't think it will be Floyd or Jeffrey at 6 (if the Browns trade down one of those guys will probably be a Brown)

And there's still the possibility, though perhaps less likely now, that's it's Tannehill at 6

I don't think Tannehill even begins to look good until the last five picks of the first round.

I think I would look at Foles around no. 6, and I would look at Osweiler (though I think that's ultimately too high for a developmental talent in Osweiler) because they offer me more value. The other guy who seems to make a lot of sense as a potential franchise guy is Kellen Moore, because I know exactly what I'm getting in him as passer.

I understand the inherent bias in scouting with a guys tools: if tools (size, strength, quickness, arm) didn't matter at all, we wouldn't need scouts, we could do everything with modern analytics. So the scouting bias against smaller guys with weaker arms is understandable. But when you see guys like Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford get taken in the first three picks, I'm not sure why it would be so unreasonable for a team to consider Kellen Moore in the first round. He's the best pure pocket passer in a draft that includes Andrew Luck.

As much as a love Robert Griffin's pro prospects (and I think he falls just shy of being a "first overall" type prospect), I think if given the exact same opportunities as a high first rounder, Moore could have the better career of the two. And I really like Griffin coming out.

SmootSmack · 01-19-2012, 11:54 AM

Big Kellen Moore fan, but I can't imagine him going in the first 2 rounds really

GTripp0012 · 01-19-2012, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Big Kellen Moore fan, but I can't imagine him going in the first 2 rounds really

Not unless there is a paradigm shift in the NFL in the next four months.

I mean, the thing with Moore is going to come even after he is drafted: there will always be someone on the roster along with him who looks like he could do the job better. And if he's teammates with Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers, then that perception is probably correct.

freddyg12 · 01-19-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sometimes being in a prime position like the Rams are is a detriment. Perhaps they're asking price will come down but most of what I've heard indicates that they want something along the lines of 5-6 highs picks and possibly players, so something like 2012 1st, 2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd and John Beck. That's a lot to ask...especially asking us to give up John Beck.

So they may price themselves out if they don't bring their demand down. On the other hand, they may hold their ground and refuse to bring their demand down

True, but if the Fins go all in & trade w/Browns that really sets the market. The rams then are in a position to say 'we like our pick at #2 & you will have to do significantly better than what the Fins gave up to get it.' If they truly like their options at 2, which I suspect they would - Blackmon or Kalil is ideal for them, then they win either way & can hold that pick to the last minute.

Ultimately, it would take a lot of intel for the Fins to be confident that they could get RGIII w/the 4th pick. I mean would somebody w/the rams & vikes really assure Miami that they weren't picking RGIII? or that they wouldn't trade the pick away?

SmootSmack · 01-19-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

True, but if the Fins go all in & trade w/Browns that really sets the market. The rams then are in a position to say 'we like our pick at #2 & you will have to do significantly better than what the Fins gave up to get it.' If they truly like their options at 2, which I suspect they would - Blackmon or Kalil is ideal for them, then they win either way & can hold that pick to the last minute.

Ultimately, it would take a lot of intel for the Fins to be confident that they could get RGIII w/the 4th pick. I mean would somebody w/the rams & vikes really assure Miami that they weren't picking RGIII? or that they wouldn't trade the pick away?

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock. Just starting the conversation now

skinsguy · 01-19-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sometimes being in a prime position like the Rams are is a detriment. Perhaps they're asking price will come down but most of what I've heard indicates that they want something along the lines of 5-6 highs picks and possibly players, so something like 2012 1st, 2012 2nd, 2013 1st, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd and John Beck. That's a lot to ask...especially asking us to give up John Beck.

So they may price themselves out if they don't bring their demand down. On the other hand, they may hold their ground and refuse to bring their demand down

Nobody is worth that much. If I'm having to give up a player, then I'll give them someone who could still be serviceable but someone who we haven't had to rely on (sorry Chris Cooley) and next year's #1, but I don't think the Redskins need or should give up THAT much to get RG III. As matter of fact, I'm not even sure the Redskins would need to move up THAT much. Everybody is saying the Browns are suitors for Griffin, but that might not be the case at all. They could essentially trade with Washington, pick up extra picks, and the 'skins wouldn't have to give up a kings ransom like they would with the Rams.

There's always a chance that one of the other QB hungry teams like Miami can leap frog up, but I'm not sure any team is going to take the bait.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-19-2012, 01:17 PM

Let's say we don't get RGIII but draft Trent Richardson.

Trent Richardson
Roy Helu
Evan Royster

Good group and while I love Roy Helu he isn't Trent Richardson but will Shanny ever draft a RB 1st round? Even though Richardson could have a Adrian Peterson type rookie impact.

12thMan · 01-19-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

The Skins have to remember we are only 4 picks away from the Lambs, we can't give up to much to trade up, they want our picks just as much as we want their pick.

Problem with that is that Jacksonsville or Cleveland would be more than happy to leap frog the Skins and get RG3.

NC_Skins · 01-19-2012, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well to be clear, a trade wouldn't happen between Miami and Cleveland before draft day, when the Browns are on the clock.

That is, unless Joe Gibbs is running your team.

Scout.com: Draft Trade: Why?

God it's moves like this that made me hate Gibbs 2.0

NC_Skins · 01-19-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Let's say we don't get RGIII but draft Trent Richardson.

Trent Richardson
Roy Helu
Evan Royster

Good group and while I love Roy Helu he isn't Trent Richardson but will Shanny ever draft a RB 1st round? Even though Richardson could have a Adrian Peterson type rookie impact.

I've said it before, if we draft a RB in this upcoming draft with the two good backs we currently have, I'm driving to DC and slapping the shit out of Shanahan. (both of them)

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-19-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I've said it before, if we draft a RB in this upcoming draft with the two good backs we currently have, I'm driving to DC and slapping the shit out of Shanahan. (both of them)

I hear you and feel the same way but Trent Richardson isn't just "any" running back prospect.

NC_Skins · 01-19-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I hear you and feel the same way but Trent Richardson isn't just "any" running back prospect.

We could get a gold mine for a team wanting to trade up. Shanahan has proved that you can plug in any RB in his system and they be productive. This is a QB driven league now. If our guy is off the board and Richardson is still up there, I would love to be able to trade down for a team wanting him.

GTripp0012 · 01-19-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

We could get a gold mine for a team wanting to trade up. Shanahan has proved that you can plug in any RB in his system and they be productive. This is a QB driven league now. If our guy is off the board and Richardson is still up there, I would love to be able to trade down for a team wanting him.

If someone's going to trade a crap load of picks to trade up for Richardson, they actually have to 1) love Richardson, and 2) believe enough teams love Richardson enough where he won't make it where they pick.

And despite being the best available player after the top five, there's people who truly believe that when it comes down to it, Richardson is going to make it all the way to no. 17 when the Bengals pick.

If that's even a remotely accurate assessment of the situation, the Redskins won't be able to get anything for Richardson at no. 6, because any team that wants him can also go to 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, or 13 to get him.

The Redskins should take him though if he's the top offensive playmaker on their board, position be damned. Still, if they trade up to third, none of this is an issue because they can grab Griffin (in all likelihood) or Blackmon/Kalil in a worst case.

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