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Old 01-02-2012, 11:10 PM   #136
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They got rid of the Polians who wanted Manning and not Luck for a reason.
The prevailing wisdom right now is the opposite. Irsay canned them because they were prepared to move on from Manning and he wasn't on-board.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:15 PM   #137
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I think that it could be a worthwhile deal. But my whole thing is it all goes back to what grade you have on Jones/Foles/Tannehill. If any one of them profiles as a high first rounder, I don't go up for either Griffin or Luck. It's a huge cost in terms of future picks.

The whole reason I put the idea out there was not because I was making a prediction on what the Redskins would do, but because I wanted to point out that going to get Robert Griffin would cost the Redskins another first round pick. If you're already going up for a quarterback, I think you might as well give away the extra picks to position oneself for Luck.

It was meant to dispel the notion that trading up for Griffin would be a good idea on grounds of it being cheaper. You can probably get Griffin by trading up to third overall. But the third overall pick and the second overall pick are going to cost about the same. If you're going up to get Griffin, positioning yourself to get Luck isn't a much more significant investment.

Both are going to cost you about a half-draft in terms of trade value.
Yeah the value judgment is tough and really requires knowing the whole picture. Based on my viewing this year I like Tannehill...but maybe not for us in our current situation... and not sold on the other two being right for our system and/or how they project career-wise. I like Tannehill simply based on his "look" and the fact that he was pretty impressive for a guy who played WR until half through last season (I believe)...he can't possibly project to a top 15 pick though. I'd be shocked.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:18 PM   #138
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They probably got fired for botching the Manning injury thing.

Due diligence.

You don't pay a 28 mil to someone that's not gonna take a snap.
You don't leave the back-up job in the hands of Curtis Painter and Kerry Collins, knowing that Manning has a serious neck injury.
You don't fiddle around with the idea of drafting a QB knowing that it will likely piss off and spell the end of the QB that built Lucas Oil Stadium.
To me...this. The failures of that team come down to this...they went in the total tank once Manning was out. Any team built in such a manner is a house of cards. They should be shot for letting the team become so talent-poor. The perils of having a stud QB I guess...you have to pay them and it kills your talent unless you are particularly good a drafting young cheap talent to cycle in.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:21 PM   #139
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The Redskins need a QB as we all know. Unless Bruce Allen executes a trade that will put the Redskins in a position to draft either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, then the Redskins will stay put and draft the next best QB- Ryan Tannehill. The one thing I like about Tannehill is his athletic ability. He was a WR before he was a QB. He might not have the upside that Griffin and Luck has, but he's definitely an upgrade over Beck and Grossman. He just needs time to develop to the pro game.
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The Redskins need a QB as we all know. Unless Bruce Allen executes a trade that will put the Redskins in a position to draft either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, then the Redskins will stay put and draft the next best QB- Ryan Tannehill. The one thing I like about Tannehill is his athletic ability. He was a WR before he was a QB. He might not have the upside that Griffin and Luck has, but he's definitely an upgrade over Beck and Grossman. He just needs time to develop to the pro game.
Hopefully Tannehill doesn't have the personality of a WR
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The Redskins need a QB as we all know. Unless Bruce Allen executes a trade that will put the Redskins in a position to draft either Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, then the Redskins will stay put and draft the next best QB- Ryan Tannehill. The one thing I like about Tannehill is his athletic ability. He was a WR before he was a QB. He might not have the upside that Griffin and Luck has, but he's definitely an upgrade over Beck and Grossman. He just needs time to develop to the pro game.
If Bruce Allen somehow pulls a rabbit out of his ass and executes a trade for Andrew Luck, he would go down as one of the greatest GM's in the history of the NFL. I give up whatever is needed to get Luck.
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Yeah the value judgment is tough and really requires knowing the whole picture. Based on my viewing this year I like Tannehill...but maybe not for us in our current situation... and not sold on the other two being right for our system and/or how they project career-wise. I like Tannehill simply based on his "look" and the fact that he was pretty impressive for a guy who played WR until half through last season (I believe)...he can't possibly project to a top 15 pick though. I'd be shocked.
All three guys look the part of the pro quarterback. Foles and Jones throw better balls down the field than Tannehill. Maybe a lot better.

Tannehill is the only one of the bunch with athleticism that exceeds "functional." Because of that athleticism, he will be taken higher. But typically that ability to run with the football is not what makes quarterbacks great at playing quarterback.

This is just my sense of watching all three of them this year, but Tannehill is incredibly limited as a passer. I know a lot of people watch him and think about what could be when he gets to the pro level and gets to study the offense and opposing offenses on a scout team, and how good he can be. But I just don't see the ability to use the whole field and throw people open in man coverage, which makes him an awful fit here since our system is all about blowing holes open in zones and throwing a moving receiver into a void.

With that said, if we've learned anything from the last five years, it is that players with functional athleticism can move the chains by using their legs if the opponent wants to play man coverage. And Tannehill can do that. I'm not totally sold he will be able to make quick enough decisions to turn designed passing plays with progressions into successful runs: that takes a really refined instinct for pocket mechanics. I have no idea if he can do that or not. For some guys, athleticism is a huge help to their game, for other guys it is a curse. It has long been easier to predict pocket passers than dual threat guys.

Landry Jones and Ryan Tannehill have both undergone very troubling regressions down the stretch this year. In the middle of the season, they seemed to both be no-doubter first rounders. But now what? Landry Jones wasn't even able to stay on the field in high leverage situations for his college team. And Tannehill quarterbacked a team that was consistently awful playing with a lead.

That's why I liked Foles the most out of them. Sure, his team was awful. But he made every kind of throw on film, he creates space to function well, he actually had better mechanics coming from under center than from the shotgun. Foles gets caught on his first read if he's going to break open, but not unjustifiably, IMO. He likes to tight window that first read rather than move on in the progression, but that may be as much a function of playing with a bunch of receivers who can't consistently beat coverage as anything.

Foles' offense also showed the tendency to use a lot of two or three man combination routes, the same ones that Kyle Shanahan uses periodically, and he reads those progressions very well. Does that make him a one-side of the field guy? I guess. But even in the pros, they don't use two sides of the field on anything except deeper routes. And Kyle Shanahan certainly does not require a player to use two sides of the field in his progression.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:45 PM   #144
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David DeCastro would be a nice addition to the OL if the Redskins trade down.
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:00 AM   #145
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Why do so many people keep saying this? It is ridiculous. Tannehill is not worth a top 10 pick. Not even a first round pick. But that is not to say he won't be drafted in the first round, he just shouldn't be.

He is more of a project than RG3 and less accurate and a lower ceiling.

If, IF, we target him I am sure Shanny will have enough sense to trade down and get a few more picks.
He basically said what he "thought" would happen not what he wanted to happen. Just about everyone here would love for the Skins to take Luck or RGIII, but most of with any common sense can figure that the Colts will take Luck and RGIII will probably go to the Rams, Browns, or Bucks.

So, when you see fans listing any of the other QB's besides Jones it's because they are figuring maybe the top 3 or 4 teams could take a QB and that leaves slim picking for the Skins and instead of going another year with out a QB they are saying we need to take whatever the next available QB is at #6, whoever they are.
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:03 AM   #146
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While there is a 99.99999 percent chance that the Colts take Luck, with a new FO, who knows what will happen.
I think either Luck (or RGIII) will be drafted by the Colts regardless of who the GM is. I'm quite positive Polian would have made the smart business decision and draft a QB just like he did in 1998. I think they could have Peyton and Luck there for one year, or part ways with him if it came down to that. They really wouldn't be able to trade him with the cap implications so the choices would be they cut him or keep him.
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Luck is the perfect match for our offense FML

but I guess he fits ev system
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The wildcard in this whole thing is Luck's leverage. Will anyone be surprised if in the weeks leading up to the draft his camp makes it known he doesn't want to be a Colt and backup Manning, that he wants to start right away? I predicted in another thread that he will use that leverage and end up with the Redskins but it will be very expensive.

The Redskins cannot afford to 'hope' that Jones, Tannehill or Foles somehow overcomes their obvious flaws and becomes an elite prospect over the next few months and justify spending a first round pick on them. There were 3 first round QB a couple of weeks ago, now there are two. More than any other team in the NFL, we must come away from the draft with one of them.
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There's Andrew Luck and then the rest, I'm sorry but RGIII could not carry his jock. Luck is a ****ing stud ready for the NFL.
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He basically said what he "thought" would happen not what he wanted to happen. Just about everyone here would love for the Skins to take Luck or RGIII, but most of with any common sense can figure that the Colts will take Luck and RGIII will probably go to the Rams, Browns, or Bucks.

So, when you see fans listing any of the other QB's besides Jones it's because they are figuring maybe the top 3 or 4 teams could take a QB and that leaves slim picking for the Skins and instead of going another year with out a QB they are saying we need to take whatever the next available QB is at #6, whoever they are.
What??? I can see the Browns taking RGIII (but QB isn't even in their top 3 needs) the Rams & Bucs, each of whom have drafted a 1st round QB in the past 3 years are now going to want RGIII also? If that's the case (which it won't be) that's great for us because then a young QB will be easily available for us!
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