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Old 01-04-2012, 02:19 AM   #226
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Exactly. There is no upside to having a rookie QB and then firing the coach. This is offseason 1A of the Shanahan regime.
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I, um, don't agree?
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:26 AM   #227
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I, um, don't agree?
Lol, I know.. Goes back to my interpretation of the 'plan'.. 2010 he didn't do anything to build longterm so I'm not considering that in the 'rebuild'.. 2011 was lockout shortened/impacted but he worked exclusively on rebuilding the defense in the draft and free agency. 2012 will be focused on rebuilding the offense in free agency and the draft.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:39 AM   #228
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Completely disagree. Think of his first two offseasons- the first is an uncapped year with very little available as far as free agents, and a draft that had Sam Bradford and not much else for QB's. This past offseason was a labor stoppage and a draft that had some reaches at QB in the 1st round.

Sure it sucks that we have to wait until season 3 of Shanahan to get our potential franchise QB moving forward, but what good does it do to fire Shanahan if he's not a 10 win coach in his first year with his new (and likely rookie) QB?
You're exactly correct! I've argued that the first season shouldn't even be considered under evaluation, because Shanahan wanted to simply evaluate the players who were already on the team. He brought in new players in positions where it was obvious that the 'skins needed help, but other than that, he truly didn't know what type of team he was inheriting. The true start of purge and rebuild didn't start until last offseason, but a lot of that was hampered by the lockout. So, this will be the first complete offseason in which Mike Shanahan and the rest of the coaching staff can execute their offseason plans without any road blocks.

So, with that being said, it MAY not be necessary for the Redskins to give up a lot to secure another QB for next season. Don't get me wrong, the Redskins NEED a QB, but they also need to stick with the plan of continuing to build the TEAM and its depth and not get caught up in drafting a QB just to be drafting a QB. I think Shanahan wants to knock it out of the park in regards to landing a franchise QB, and that might not be possible with the way THIS offseason is going to be. I would be more or less disappointed that we'd have to endure another year of Rex Grossman, but ultimately, I LOVE the idea of having a solid team built and in place for a young quarterback to come in and develop.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:43 AM   #229
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You're exactly correct! I've argued that the first season shouldn't even be considered under evaluation, because Shanahan wanted to simply evaluate the players who were already on the team. He brought in new players in positions where it was obvious that the 'skins needed help, but other than that, he truly didn't know what type of team he was inheriting. The true start of purge and rebuild didn't start until last offseason, but a lot of that was hampered by the lockout. So, this will be the first complete offseason in which Mike Shanahan and the rest of the coaching staff can execute their offseason plans without any road blocks.

So, with that being said, it MAY not be necessary for the Redskins to give up a lot to secure another QB for next season. Don't get me wrong, the Redskins NEED a QB, but they also need to stick with the plan of continuing to build the TEAM and its depth and not get caught up in drafting a QB just to be drafting a QB. I think Shanahan wants to knock it out of the park in regards to landing a franchise QB, and that might not be possible with the way THIS offseason is going to be. I would be more or less disappointed that we'd have to endure another year of Rex Grossman, but ultimately, I LOVE the idea of having a solid team built and in place for a young quarterback to come in and develop.
Can't agree more. Not much point of having a franchise QB if he gets lit up and is injured and doesn't have anyone to throw to, or a running game to take pressure off of him. Look at Sam Bradford...
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:03 AM   #230
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All I'm saying about Mike Shanahan getting fired is that he is no doubt aware that it is standard operating procedure for NFL owners to fire a coach who fails to deliver a winning season in his third year as coach. It is so predictable that it ought to be in the Owner's Handbook, if there is such a thing. Why should Dan Snyder behave any differently than the other owners?

If Shanahan, the HC, fails to deliver a winning season in 2012 because he was breaking in a rookie QB, then DS may decide that it is the GM who should be fired for not giving Shanahan enough talent to win in his third year. The problem for Shanahan is that he is also the de facto GM. So, there is no true GM to be sacrificed so that Shanahan can keep his job.

Sometimes, an owner will allow a HC to sacrifice a coordinator or two or some position coaches to buy another year. But it looks like Shanahan will clean house on coaches this offseason, so he won't be able to play that worn out card.

For me, then, it is logical that the solution Shanahan will seek for the QB position in 2012 is to go with a veteran acquisition other than Grossman and draft a promising rookie to develop. Those moves and enough wins in 2012 should allow Shanahan to keep his job which is ultimately what it is all about for him.

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Old 01-04-2012, 11:07 AM   #231
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Can't agree more. Not much point of having a franchise QB if he gets lit up and is injured and doesn't have anyone to throw to, or a running game to take pressure off of him. Look at Sam Bradford...
Which is probably why the Rams select Matt Kalil, OT, and the Redskins select.............Justin Blackmon WR!!!! ;-)

Yes, not an offensive lineman, but I think if Blackmon is on the board when the Redskins pick, I'd pick him in a heartbeat. No matter who the quarterback is, Blackmon would make life A LOT easier for the Redskins. Could you picture Blackmon and a healthy and improving Hankerson at WR? Blackmon the deep threat, Hankerson who can also get open deep but a great tall possession receiver? With Gaffney and Moss coming back, and hopefully Cooley and Davis (as long as he keeps himself clean) there are going to be A LOT of scary weapons to throw to. Even Rex Grossman would look awesome with that group of weapons. Couple that with Helu and Royster out of the backfield, I'm almost getting more excited about this scenario than I am drafting a QB.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:14 AM   #232
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All I'm saying about Mike Shanahan getting fired is that he is no doubt aware that it is standard operating procedure for NFL owners to fire a coach who fails to deliver a winning season in his third year as coach. It is so predictable that it ought to be in the Owner's Handbook, if there is such a thing. Why should Dan Snyder behave any differently than the other owners?
That's an easy question. Because he can't afford to behave like Dan Snyder. Not to mention the fact that Mike Shanahan told him from the very beginning that if Dan Snyder is not willing to allow him the time it takes to rebuild this team, then he wasn't interested in coming to Washington. That he signed a contract for five seasons, and that's how long it's going to take. So, Snyder fires Shanahan after season three, he goes back on his word, the Redskins are blown up again, and we stay on this merry-go-round. Snyder at this point realizes that he has a choice: to go through growing pains for five years verses going through continuous change for another ten years. At some point, you have to realize you trust the football minds around you and you do it their way.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:17 AM   #233
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I think i would prefer to continue to stockpile depth. If RGIII slides to 6, pick him up, and count your starts. But he wont, so look to trade out of the 6th, and then basically mimic last years draft. We need more shit to through at the wall. Picks Picks Picks.
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Old 01-04-2012, 11:29 AM   #234
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Which is probably why the Rams select Matt Kalil, OT, and the Redskins select.............Justin Blackmon WR!!!! ;-)

Yes, not an offensive lineman, but I think if Blackmon is on the board when the Redskins pick, I'd pick him in a heartbeat. No matter who the quarterback is, Blackmon would make life A LOT easier for the Redskins. Could you picture Blackmon and a healthy and improving Hankerson at WR? Blackmon the deep threat, Hankerson who can also get open deep but a great tall possession receiver? With Gaffney and Moss coming back, and hopefully Cooley and Davis (as long as he keeps himself clean) there are going to be A LOT of scary weapons to throw to. Even Rex Grossman would look awesome with that group of weapons. Couple that with Helu and Royster out of the backfield, I'm almost getting more excited about this scenario than I am drafting a QB.
We draft 6th. How do you figure that Blackmon would get past Minnesota, Cleveland, and Tampa? I think we'd have to move up to get him but the teams ahead of us would have little incentive to trade down with great players on the board.

If I were Minnesota, I'd stay where I am in the draft and take Blackmon after St. Louis takes Kalil (who I also think would be a great pick for St. Louis). Ponder needs Blackmon.

I expect the Skins to try to sign either Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe in Free Agency.
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We draft 6th. How do you figure that Blackmon would get past Minnesota, Cleveland, and Tampa? I think we'd have to move up to get him but the teams ahead of us would have little incentive to trade down with great players on the board.

If I were Minnesota, I'd stay where I am in the draft and take Blackmon after St. Louis takes Kalil (who I also think would be a great pick for St. Louis). Ponder needs Blackmon.

I expect the Skins to try to sign either Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe in Free Agency.
I'd love to have him too but I don't see any way he falls to 6. Unless someone above us pulls another Darius Heyward-Bey at #7 overall to allow Orakpo to land in our laps. But I don't see that happening as Oakland isn't picking ahead of us this year.
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I'd love to have him too but I don't see any way he falls to 6. Unless someone above us pulls another Darius Heyward-Bey at #7 overall to allow Orakpo to land in our laps. But I don't see that happening as Oakland isn't picking ahead of us this year.
Instead of all the bickering, someone draw up a mock draft!
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I think i would prefer to continue to stockpile depth. If RGIII slides to 6, pick him up, and count your starts. But he wont, so look to trade out of the 6th, and then basically mimic last years draft. We need more shit to through at the wall. Picks Picks Picks.
You mean the NE method of drafting? They have so many picks every year, by sheer luck some of them are going to pan out.
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Which is probably why the Rams select Matt Kalil, OT, and the Redskins select.............Justin Blackmon WR!!!! ;-)

Yes, not an offensive lineman, but I think if Blackmon is on the board when the Redskins pick, I'd pick him in a heartbeat. No matter who the quarterback is, Blackmon would make life A LOT easier for the Redskins. Could you picture Blackmon and a healthy and improving Hankerson at WR? Blackmon the deep threat, Hankerson who can also get open deep but a great tall possession receiver? With Gaffney and Moss coming back, and hopefully Cooley and Davis (as long as he keeps himself clean) there are going to be A LOT of scary weapons to throw to. Even Rex Grossman would look awesome with that group of weapons. Couple that with Helu and Royster out of the backfield, I'm almost getting more excited about this scenario than I am drafting a QB.
I agree. The Skins are a good QB and bonafide #1 WR away from being a serious threat on Offense. Don't forget the wide receiver talent available in free agency. I wouldn't mind seeing Dwayne Bowe in the maroon and black. If Cleveland makes a run at Flynn, RGIII could drop to 6.
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We draft 6th. How do you figure that Blackmon would get past Minnesota, Cleveland, and Tampa? I think we'd have to move up to get him but the teams ahead of us would have little incentive to trade down with great players on the board.

If I were Minnesota, I'd stay where I am in the draft and take Blackmon after St. Louis takes Kalil (who I also think would be a great pick for St. Louis). Ponder needs Blackmon.

I expect the Skins to try to sign either Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe in Free Agency.
Alshon Jeffrey is a beast as well and he might be available in the late first round. Trade back with Cincy for their 2 picks.
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Instead of all the bickering, someone draw up a mock draft!

1 Indianapolis Colts: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2 St. Louis Rams: Matt Kalil, OT, USC
3 Minnesota Vikings: Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
4 Cleveland Browns: Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
6 Washington Redskins: Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor
7 Jacksonville Jaguars: Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
8 Miami Dolphins: Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
9 Carolina Panthers: Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
10 Buffalo Bills: Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
11 Kansas City Chiefs: Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
12 Seattle Seahawks: Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
13 Arizona Cardinals: Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
14 Dallas Cowboys: David DeCastro, G, Stanford
15 Philadelphia Eagles: Devon Still, DE/DT, Penn State
16 New York Jets: Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
17 Cincinnati Bengals: Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
18 San Diego Chargers: Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
19 Chicago Bears: Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
20 Tennessee Titans: Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
21 Denver Broncos: Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
22 Cincinnati Bengals: Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia
23 Cleveland Browns: Kendall Wright, WR/KR, Baylor
24 Detroit Lions: Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
25 New York Giants: Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
26 Houston Texans: Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
27 Pittsburgh Steelers: Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
28 San Francisco 49ers: Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina
29 Baltimore Ravens: Vontaze Burfict, ILB, Arizona State
30 New England Patriots: Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
31 New England Patriots: Jerel Worthy, DE/DT, Michigan State
32 Green Bay Packers: Fletcher Cox, DE/DT, Mississippi State
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