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Old 01-09-2012, 02:08 PM   #346
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I know it's way early and lots can happen but I think I'm gonna be pretty bummed if we don't trade up to get RGIII. The other guys-Tannehill, Foles, etc. are all just really flawed and don't scream 'franchise QB' rather scream 'drafting a QB again in 2015'.
Same here. Unless they see a HUGE red flag on RG3, I just can't see how MS doesn't do this. I am sure there won't be much information out there about this, b/c MS is very tight-lipped.
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:25 PM   #347
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Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.
He couldn't lead a fly to dog shit. This is why people should watch college football.
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:27 PM   #348
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Cutler 6'3
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Cutler strong arm
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No. The major knock on Foles is that he does not have a strong arm. On this criterion comparisons with Cutler fail.
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:36 PM   #349
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No. The major knock on Foles is that he does not have a strong arm. On this criterion comparisons with Cutler fail.
Maybe Scouts Inc isn't always right but I can't imagine that if they're wrong that the amount of arm strength wouldn't fall too far from the elite category.

Release/Arm Strength - 1 - Possesses a compact release. Flashes ability to change release point if necessary. Prototypical arm strength and can make all the necessary NFL throw as well as drive the ball down the field vertically.

The real knock is the mental part of his game.

Mental Makeup - 3 - "Comes from a majority spread offense although does take snaps from under center in pro-style sets. A one tempo quarterback that is very effective when pre-snap read is right and first option come available. Decision making becomes inconsistent when having to get to 2nd or 3rd option, though. Displays a good feel for game situations, however, poise is just average and shows some panic when protection breaks down. Lacks the necessary anticipation at this point and needs to see WR come open which can cause him to be late with throws. Flashes the toughness to sit in and make throw when knowing he's going to get hit.

1 = Exceptional 2 = Above Average 3 = Average 4 = Below Average 5 = Marginal
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:52 PM   #350
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Why because they're both small white QBs that don't have elite arm strength?
Moore and Colt are night and day based off their college days.
That is so insensitive. Moore is of British descent while McCoy is clearly Irish. I shall be reporting you to the hire ups for blatant racism and recommend you take sensitivity training


But yeah besides that it's basically the gist. Keep in mind though there are people holding out hope that McCoy's career is following the same trajectory of a certain storied QB that goes by the name of Drew Brees (who is Dutch, thank you very much).
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:53 PM   #351
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Cutler 6'3
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Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.
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Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.
Based on what I've heard Cutlers arm is the elite of the elite. Knocking down any QB for not being as strong arm strength wise is like comparing a pitcher with a 103 mph fastball to one that regularly can throw up to a 100 mph and discounting the latter.
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Old 01-09-2012, 02:56 PM   #353
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He couldn't lead a fly to dog shit. This is why people should watch college football.
exactly. LSU's qbs are garbage this year and will not be successful nfl players imo.
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Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.
Doesn't mean his arm strength isn't good enough or he won't succeed.
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exactly. LSU's qbs are garbage this year and will not be successful nfl players imo.
I tell you what done imagine this. You done be walking round with 2 ton ankle weights and then you done be one day in late April be finally lowed ta take dem weights off. Dats what many SEC QB's done experience when they go from facing SEC defenses to NFL defenses.
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Old 01-09-2012, 03:04 PM   #356
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That is so insensitive. Moore is of British descent while McCoy is clearly Irish. I shall be reporting you to the hire ups for blatant racism and recommend you take sensitivity training

But yeah besides that it's basically the gist. Keep in mind though there are people holding out hope that McCoy's career is following the same trajectory of a certain storied QB that goes by the name of Drew Brees (who is Dutch, thank you very much).
McCoy ran the option*** against big 12 defenses..
Moore ran for negative yards every year he played for Boise..

Just based off that, there can be NO comparisons made between these two quarterbacks.

Oh and that connection between Brees and McCoy is just painful to hear about.. No realism behind it.
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Doesn't mean his arm strength isn't good enough or he won't succeed.
But it does mean that comparing him to Cutler is a little bit crazy.

There's going to be a big arm in every draft, it's not right to draw comparisons to the elite arms in the NFL each year.
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Based on what I've heard Cutlers arm is the elite of the elite. Knocking down any QB for not being as strong arm strength wise is like comparing a pitcher with a 103 mph fastball to one that regularly can throw up to a 100 mph and discounting the latter.
I was simply suggesting that comparing Foles to Cutler is crazy and wrong.
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McCoy ran the option*** against big 12 defenses..
Moore ran for negative yards every year he played for Boise..

Just based off that, there can be NO comparisons made between these two quarterbacks.

Oh and that connection between Brees and McCoy is just painful to hear about.. No realism behind it.
Hey I'm just the messenger on that one. It's the battle cry for McCoy apologist everywhere.

Still the real base of the comparison between McCoy and Moore comes from this. Both were/are described as the following
  • Undersized
  • Hard working
  • Average arm strength if that
  • Extremely accurate
  • Great head for the game
  • Leaders
  • Winners,
  • Above Average Mobility

The only real difference between the two is one played at an established program in a spread-option offense while the other raised the profile of his school and played in a hybrid West Coast Offense. And it's no guarantee when it comes to how Moore is going to turn out as a pro but make no mistake the comparisons on how they look as prospects are valid.
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Hey I'm just the messenger on that one. It's the battle cry for McCoy apologist everywhere.

Still the real base of the comparison between McCoy and Moore comes from this. Both were/are described as the following
  • Undersized
  • Average arm strength if that
  • Extremely accurate
  • Above Average Mobility

The only real difference between the two is one played at an established program in a spread-option offense while the other raised the profile of his school and played in a hybrid West Coast Offense. And it's no guarantee when it comes to how Moore is going to turn out as a pro but make no mistake the comparisons on how they look as prospects are valid.
Any QB that won a large amount of games in their college careers are going to be hard working, have a great head for the game, winners, and leaders.

They're both undersized, they both played for big time schools (Boise won the fiesta bowl two years before Kellen joined the Broncos), they're both extremely accurate with average arm strength, and it ends there.

*I'm not arguing with you, I'm just stating my case for why the people who like to tie these two together are just looking at their size and arm.
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