And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok here's is why I did what I did....

some common reasoning....

Luck will be taken by the Colts.
RGIII taken by the Browns if nothing else.
Blackmon will probably be taken by the Rams to give Bradford a weapon.

So it was either take Tannehill at #6 which still is a possibility or hold off "IF" the Skins have already picked up a FA QB. So, I'm assuming the Skins push hard for a FA QB, one that knows the WCO system, one that has not already played and not faired well.... like Grossman and Beck, namely one that has shown promise and not been cut from a dozen teams, ie; Flynn or Hoyer.

Next I would figure the team would want to get another offensive weapon to go along side Hankerson and Davis. If Blackmon is gone I simply looked at the next best WR, the next one that was tall, ie; Floyed.
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The team could easily trade out to the teens and still probably pick up the WR to start or QB to challenge/develope.

So figuring the team takes a WR then I'd figure they would go QB in the second round. If they waited that long then clearly the other teams that need a QB would probably take Tannehill. Besides who knows if he is even the player MS/KS is interested in? So again if Luck, RGIII, and Tannehill are gone, then I started looking at who might be available in the second round. Miami might take a QB, KC might take a QB, not sure about Seattle, Arizona might, Dallas should (Romo sucks), Eagles might look for Vicks backup, the rest are pretty set at QB. So I again just figured the team would be of the mind set that they picked up a qualified QB in FA (yet again,lol) and they know they won't get one of the two top QB's then they might just pick up a young QB who will fit the system to develope....

Now, Weeden impressed me. He played well, managed the game well, made Luck look like a bumbling idiot, JK. But he seemed to make all the throws and put them where the WR could get them, didn't make risky throws like Grossman, and threw to the WR while the WR was in stride.

That is why I made those picks. It could go a ton of different ways...

Skins pick RGIII at #6
or
Skins move up to take RGIII.

then the 2nd round maybe they take a RT to protect the QB especially if they have picked up a #1 WR in FA.

Weeden is not the option for us, we'd be better off starting Brady Quinn.

There are some really good WRs who will be available in the second round, I'm hoping for Nick Toon, he's got the name also.

SBXVII · 01-09-2012, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Who here would be fine with just drafting Kellen Moore?

I would, especially seeing how Tebow is playing and how 'he doesn't have the nfl arm or accuracy or arm strength to play in the NFL.' Moore's weakness is having too weak of an arm. His height isn't a problem since brees is the same height.

I think we have to wait until the Combine. People said the same thing about Andy Dalton, but in reality his arm was strong enough and has played well with out having to be sitting on the sideline becoming NFL ready as most people expected.

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I would be fine with drafting him after drafting someone like RG3 and I would all but beg for the team to draft him if they went with Tannehill. However drafting him as THE guy just seems like another Colt McCoy in Cleveland waiting to happen.

Why because they're both small white QBs that don't have elite arm strength?
Moore and Colt are night and day based off their college days.

SBXVII · 01-09-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Weeden is not the option for us, we'd be better off starting Brady Quinn.

There are some really good WRs who will be available in the second round, I'm hoping for Nick Toon, he's got the name also.

and I'm ok with that. I'm just guessing the team will want to go QB and WR in the first two rounds. Depending on what they do in FA obviously will depend on what they do in the Draft. The problem is two really good QB's have decided to drop out which automatically moves the QB's below up a few notches. The team might not like having to draft one of those QB's so high but they might have to in order to get a more quality of play. Which I think goes back to what they do in FA, or it might not. Why not try to get Flynn and pick a 1st round QB... if RGIII is available then have them duke it out in preseason. Our QB position might become one of our strengths. or play the FA for the first few games and let the Rookie see how it is supposed to run with maybe throwing him in for a play or two here and there until he's ready to take over.

CultBrennan59 · 01-09-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

and I'm ok with that. I'm just guessing the team will want to go QB and WR in the first two rounds. Depending on what they do in FA obviously will depend on what they do in the Draft. The problem is two really good QB's have decided to drop out which automatically moves the QB's below up a few notches. The team might not like having to draft one of those QB's so high but they might have to in order to get a more quality of play. Which I think goes back to what they do in FA, or it might not. Why not try to get Flynn and pick a 1st round QB... if RGIII is available then have them duke it out in preseason. Our QB position might become one of our strengths. or play the FA for the first few games and let the Rookie see how it is supposed to run with maybe throwing him in for a play or two here and there until he's ready to take over.

I feel like Shanahan will get Foles after working with him, has a lot of similarities of Jay Cutler.

SBXVII · 01-09-2012, 01:35 PM

Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.

SkinzWin · 01-09-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.

Short answer: No

Long answer: Never

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I feel like Shanahan will get Foles after working with him, has a lot of similarities of Jay Cutler.

Eeeeee... Really?

CultBrennan59 · 01-09-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.

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Paintrain · 01-09-2012, 01:47 PM

I know it's way early and lots can happen but I think I'm gonna be pretty bummed if we don't trade up to get RGIII. The other guys-Tannehill, Foles, etc. are all just really flawed and don't scream 'franchise QB' rather scream 'drafting a QB again in 2015'.

CultBrennan59 · 01-09-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Eeeeee... Really?

Cutler 6'3
Foles 6'5

Cutler strong arm
Foles Strong arm

cutler bad team his senior year, no bowl game
Foles bad team his senior year, no bowl game

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Cutler Junior and Senior Stats
147-241 10 TDs 5 Ints
273-462 21 TDs 9 Ints

Foles Junior and Senior Stats
286-426 20 TDs 10 Ints
387-560 28 TDs 14 Ints

Ruhskins · 01-09-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

I know it's way early and lots can happen but I think I'm gonna be pretty bummed if we don't trade up to get RGIII. The other guys-Tannehill, Foles, etc. are all just really flawed and don't scream 'franchise QB' rather scream 'drafting a QB again in 2015'.

Same here. Unless they see a HUGE red flag on RG3, I just can't see how MS doesn't do this. I am sure there won't be much information out there about this, b/c MS is very tight-lipped.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-09-2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

Would anyone take LSU's Jefferson? He led his team to the #1 spot and he seems to be able to run if need be.

He couldn't lead a fly to dog shit. This is why people should watch college football.

Lotus · 01-09-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Cutler 6'3
Foles 6'5

Cutler strong arm
Foles Strong arm

cutler bad team his senior year, no bowl game
Foles bad team his senior year, no bowl game

Fairly mobile
Played in tough conferences

Cutler Junior and Senior Stats
147-241 10 TDs 5 Ints
273-462 21 TDs 9 Ints

Foles Junior and Senior Stats
286-426 20 TDs 10 Ints
387-560 28 TDs 14 Ints

No. The major knock on Foles is that he does not have a strong arm. On this criterion comparisons with Cutler fail.

Dirtbag59 · 01-09-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

No. The major knock on Foles is that he does not have a strong arm. On this criterion comparisons with Cutler fail.

Maybe Scouts Inc isn't always right but I can't imagine that if they're wrong that the amount of arm strength wouldn't fall too far from the elite category.

Release/Arm Strength - 1 - Possesses a compact ¾ release. Flashes ability to change release point if necessary. Prototypical arm strength and can make all the necessary NFL throw as well as drive the ball down the field vertically.

The real knock is the mental part of his game.

Mental Makeup - 3 - "Comes from a majority spread offense although does take snaps from under center in pro-style sets. A one tempo quarterback that is very effective when pre-snap read is right and first option come available. Decision making becomes inconsistent when having to get to 2nd or 3rd option, though. Displays a good feel for game situations, however, poise is just average and shows some panic when protection breaks down. Lacks the necessary anticipation at this point and needs to see WR come open which can cause him to be late with throws. Flashes the toughness to sit in and make throw when knowing he's going to get hit.

1 = Exceptional 2 = Above Average 3 = Average 4 = Below Average 5 = Marginal

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