And with the 6th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the redskins select...........

Dirtbag59 · 01-09-2012, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Why because they're both small white QBs that don't have elite arm strength?
Moore and Colt are night and day based off their college days.

That is so insensitive. Moore is of British descent while McCoy is clearly Irish. I shall be reporting you to the hire ups for blatant racism and recommend you take sensitivity training

But yeah besides that it's basically the gist. Keep in mind though there are people holding out hope that McCoy's career is following the same trajectory of a certain storied QB that goes by the name of Drew Brees (who is Dutch, thank you very much).

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Cutler 6'3
Foles 6'5

Cutler strong arm
Foles Strong arm

cutler bad team his senior year, no bowl game
Foles bad team his senior year, no bowl game

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Played in tough conferences

Cutler Junior and Senior Stats
147-241 10 TDs 5 Ints
273-462 21 TDs 9 Ints

Foles Junior and Senior Stats
286-426 20 TDs 10 Ints
387-560 28 TDs 14 Ints

Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.

Dirtbag59 · 01-09-2012, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.

Based on what I've heard Cutlers arm is the elite of the elite. Knocking down any QB for not being as strong arm strength wise is like comparing a pitcher with a 103 mph fastball to one that regularly can throw up to a 100 mph and discounting the latter.

Big C · 01-09-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

He couldn't lead a fly to dog shit. This is why people should watch college football.

exactly. LSU's qbs are garbage this year and will not be successful nfl players imo.

CultBrennan59 · 01-09-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

No. The major knock on Foles is that he does not have a strong arm. On this criterion comparisons with Cutler fail.

Umm read NFL scouts analysis on him, the majority say he has a strong arm. There definitely isn't scouts that say he has a weak arm.

redsk1 · 01-09-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Vaguely remember Cutler playing for Vandy, but I do know that Foles doesn't have the arm Cutler has. Cutler has that rare part to his game that we saw with Favre where he'll just sling the ball effortlessly, Foles can't compete with that.

Doesn't mean his arm strength isn't good enough or he won't succeed.

Dirtbag59 · 01-09-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

exactly. LSU's qbs are garbage this year and will not be successful nfl players imo.

I tell you what done imagine this. You done be walking round with 2 ton ankle weights and then you done be one day in late April be finally lowed ta take dem weights off. Dats what many SEC QB's done experience when they go from facing SEC defenses to NFL defenses.

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

That is so insensitive. Moore is of British descent while McCoy is clearly Irish. I shall be reporting you to the hire ups for blatant racism and recommend you take sensitivity training

But yeah besides that it's basically the gist. Keep in mind though there are people holding out hope that McCoy's career is following the same trajectory of a certain storied QB that goes by the name of Drew Brees (who is Dutch, thank you very much).

McCoy ran the option*** against big 12 defenses..
Moore ran for negative yards every year he played for Boise..

Just based off that, there can be NO comparisons made between these two quarterbacks.

Oh and that connection between Brees and McCoy is just painful to hear about.. No realism behind it.

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

Doesn't mean his arm strength isn't good enough or he won't succeed.

But it does mean that comparing him to Cutler is a little bit crazy.

There's going to be a big arm in every draft, it's not right to draw comparisons to the elite arms in the NFL each year.

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Based on what I've heard Cutlers arm is the elite of the elite. Knocking down any QB for not being as strong arm strength wise is like comparing a pitcher with a 103 mph fastball to one that regularly can throw up to a 100 mph and discounting the latter.

I was simply suggesting that comparing Foles to Cutler is crazy and wrong.

Dirtbag59 · 01-09-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

McCoy ran the option*** against big 12 defenses..
Moore ran for negative yards every year he played for Boise..

Just based off that, there can be NO comparisons made between these two quarterbacks.

Oh and that connection between Brees and McCoy is just painful to hear about.. No realism behind it.

Hey I'm just the messenger on that one. It's the battle cry for McCoy apologist everywhere.

Still the real base of the comparison between McCoy and Moore comes from this. Both were/are described as the following

Undersized
Hard working
Average arm strength if that
Extremely accurate
Great head for the game
Leaders
Winners,
Above Average Mobility

The only real difference between the two is one played at an established program in a spread-option offense while the other raised the profile of his school and played in a hybrid West Coast Offense. And it's no guarantee when it comes to how Moore is going to turn out as a pro but make no mistake the comparisons on how they look as prospects are valid.

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Hey I'm just the messenger on that one. It's the battle cry for McCoy apologist everywhere.

Still the real base of the comparison between McCoy and Moore comes from this. Both were/are described as the following

Undersized
Average arm strength if that
Extremely accurate
Above Average Mobility

The only real difference between the two is one played at an established program in a spread-option offense while the other raised the profile of his school and played in a hybrid West Coast Offense. And it's no guarantee when it comes to how Moore is going to turn out as a pro but make no mistake the comparisons on how they look as prospects are valid.

Any QB that won a large amount of games in their college careers are going to be hard working, have a great head for the game, winners, and leaders.

They're both undersized, they both played for big time schools (Boise won the fiesta bowl two years before Kellen joined the Broncos), they're both extremely accurate with average arm strength, and it ends there.

*I'm not arguing with you, I'm just stating my case for why the people who like to tie these two together are just looking at their size and arm.

Dirtbag59 · 01-09-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Any QB that won a large amount of games in their college careers are going to be hard working, have a great head for the game, winners, and leaders.

They're both undersized, they both played for big time schools (Boise won the fiesta bowl two years before Kellen joined the Broncos), they're both extremely accurate with average arm strength, and it ends there.

*I'm not arguing with you, I'm just stating my case for why the people who like to tie these two together are just looking at their size and arm.

Thats a big part of it, but for me it's also the mystique that seems to come about when they're described by the media, at least in regards to them as pre-draft prospects.

Ironically enough I still want Moore but as I alluded to before only in a Matt Flynn sort of capacity where you draft an overlooked but talented guy as a fail safe for your earlier QB prospect. If anything you can possibly trade him down the line for a draft pick and turn a 5th or 6th round selection into a 2nd or 3rd round pick with proper coaching and enough flashes to entice other QB hungry teams.

IrMitchell · 01-09-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Thats a big part of it, but for me it's also the mystique that seems to come about when they're described by the media, at least in regards to them as pre-draft prospects.

Ironically enough I still want Moore but as I alluded to before only in a Matt Flynn sort of capacity where you draft an overlooked but talented guy as a fail safe for your earlier QB prospect. If anything you can possibly trade him down the line for a draft pick and turn a 5th or 6th round selection into a 2nd or 3rd round pick with proper coaching and enough flashes to entice other QB hungry teams.

Only quarterback I want that will warrant his draft position is Moore. If he was 6'4, he'd be a top 5 pick. Yes i just said that.

Paintrain · 01-09-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Who here would be fine with just drafting Kellen Moore?

I would, especially seeing how Tebow is playing and how 'he doesn't have the nfl arm or accuracy or arm strength to play in the NFL.' Moore's weakness is having too weak of an arm. His height isn't a problem since brees is the same height.

If this happens I'm unplugging the internet. He's Colt Brennan 2.0 and I can't take the Mob of Moore whining at every snap.

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