Arizona State QB Brock Osweiler declares for NFL Draft

SkinItup

add on top of that he won't get batted down nearly as often as grossman

GTripp0012

I think that would be a good strategy for any team w/QB need, though I'm not sure it's a luxury the current coaching staff has.

I think it seems to be breaking in a certain way that Tannehill and Osweiler (and this is just speculation, particularly in Osweiler's case) will be overvalued assets on draft day while Kellen Moore, Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles will be undervalued. But that doesn't mean I would wait around until the top four QBs get taken to make a move in the draft to get a QB. I could see Philadelphia targeting Osweiler in the first round and so I may be willing to have the Redskins trade up ahead of Philly to get him, IF they think he can play. Sure, that'd be reaching for him, but the guy has a boatload of talent.

I'm also not sure how Brandon Weeden will play into this. He will on some level, but at 29 years old next year, I'm one of those who believes his advanced age calls everything about his college career into question. When you see it in numbers, it was a really sensational career and someone will take him in the mid rounds for his abilities, but then I go back on tape and watch Kellen Moore against Weeden and it's easy to see why he will be lost in the depth of this class.

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skinsfan69

Only saw one ASU game and it was against Boise. This guy looked like shit. Maybe cause it was against a tough opponent but I just wasn't impressed. He seemed to move pretty well for a big guy, but he wasn't accurate, threw into coverage, missed open wr's, he needs another year of college ball IMO.

Another thing,..Pac Ten QB's really seem to be tough to grade cause they play in a conference that doesn't play defense. How many Pac Ten Qb's have come into the NFL and failed?? Ryan Leaf, Andrew Walter, Kyle Boller, Tommy Maddox, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Todd Marinavich, Kellen Clemons, John David Booty, Matt Leinart...Sanchez is turing out to be not as good as advertised. I'm probably missing a few but I don't think a conference has had more misses than the Pac Ten. Of course the best Pac Ten QB of all time is Mark Rypien!!!

SFREDSKIN

Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, Jim Plunkett and Troy Aikman weren't too shabby.

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skinsfan69

Agreed.. although Plunkett didn't have success until much later on in his career. My point is Pac Ten QB's seem to have more guys taken early that fail, for what ever reason.

Lotus

The Pac 10 was better defensively when Plunkett and Fouts played.

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mbedner3420

I think we can't discount the fact that anyone named Brock is an undeniable douche.

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IDK Brandon Weeden looked good in his bowl game beating Stanford with Luck. Weeden is 6-4 and is around 218lbs. I'd take him in the 2nd round, whoever is the best WR in the 1st round and pick up a FA QB.

mbedner3420

The major downside is that he is already 28. When he acclimated fully to the nfl he'll be 31-32ish. I'd rather have someone far younger that we can mold.

SBXVII

Let me ask you this.... serious question.... Luck or RGIII is going to acclimate to the NFL better or quicker? You basically saying that he will take 2-4 yrs to acclimate. Newton didn't take that long. Tebow didn't take that long. The QB I wanted the team to take and didn't Andy Dalton was supposed to be a 3rd ro 4th rounder this time last year... he didn't take 2-4 yrs to acclimate.

I'm not pointing a finger at you but some fans here get one player in mind and tune themselves out to any other options.

Luck- is the only good QB. We have to do whatever it costs to get him.

RGIII- Luck will be gone, RGIII is a qualified next best, we have to sell the farm to leap the Browns to get him.

Tannehill- is a decent 2nd rounder that won't be there then cause some team will over reach in the 1st round for him because they don't want to lose out on the QB battles this year.

Everyone else- not worthy.

VETS:

Flynn- Although being in the league for a few years, stayed with the same team the whole time, knows the WCO systems, and has filled in nicely now and then..... basically has not proved himself so he's not worthy.

Hoyer(N.E)- See above.

Orton- No better, no worse then Grossman. Failed with the Bears..demoted..traded. Failed with Bronco's... demoted.

Cassel- 30y/o, although is safer with the ball and does not throw as many INT's, he was not spectacular with the Cheifs. If he fits this style of WCO and its similar to what the Patriots run offensively then bring him, otherwise pass due to age and declining talent.

I know I'm being cynical but this is almost how everyone acts. Out of the bunch apparently there is no good QB's. There will be a need to bring in a Vet to replace Beck. Apparently Crompton is staying so they can evaluate him further as Preseason fodder. Whether Grossman stays or goes is the biggie, if he stays obviously there will only be a need for 1 Vet, if he goes I'd imagine the team bringing in two Vets and signing a Rookie possibly two one being a UDFA. Letting all 5 QB's compete; Vet, Vet, Crompton, Rookie, UDFA. In the end I see Vet, 1st or 2nd round Rookie, UDFA.

and if we are all in for new talent, non aged QB's, healthy, and can play in the NFL, and have not been beaten up then I'd take:

Flynn/Hoyer (Vet)
Tannehill/Weeden (Developmental Rookie)
Late Draft Pick/UDFA (Practice Squad)

Hog1

YEEooow. I hope that is like....dog years. Was he in the service or just a slow learner? Well, on the positive side I guess he knows about 63 ways to kill a man with his bare hands. That should help with the occasional overzealous Linebacker....

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budw38

Kellen Moore , BSU , maybe rd 2 or 3 .

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