2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5)

diehardskin2982 · 01-12-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Just heard some big news tonight from a certain Redskins front office-worker.

The worker has told me some big news in the past, which has later been accurate. Example, in 2009 he told me we were going to make a push to get jay cutler, before ESPN reported that he was officially on the trading block. In 2008 he told me if Colt Brennan was there in the later rounds, we would draft him. In 2010 he told me the team liked Trent Williams more than Russell Okung and he would be our pick if Detroit didn't take him.

The point is he's accurate with his info.

He recently told me some key info regarding our first pick. "expect it to be Robert Griffin, because we are willing to trade 2 first rounders and at least a 3rd for him, and Mike really likes this kid."

I thought I'd relay this message with you all, take this as you want, but I trust this source.

I hope your guy is right i really want RGIII on this team. My dream draft would be RGIII in the first round and Michael Brewster in the 2nd round.

Big C · 01-12-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Just heard some big news tonight from a certain Redskins front office-worker.

The worker has told me some big news in the past, which has later been accurate. Example, in 2009 he told me we were going to make a push to get jay cutler, before ESPN reported that he was officially on the trading block. In 2008 he told me if Colt Brennan was there in the later rounds, we would draft him. In 2010 he told me the team liked Trent Williams more than Russell Okung and he would be our pick if Detroit didn't take him.

The point is he's accurate with his info.

He recently told me some key info regarding our first pick. "expect it to be Robert Griffin, because we are willing to trade 2 first rounders and at least a 3rd for him, and Mike really likes this kid."

I thought I'd relay this message with you all, take this as you want, but I trust this source.

i'd be ok with that. we need a franchise quarterback, and i love what rg3 brings to the table.

chrisl13 · 01-13-2012, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Just heard some big news tonight from a certain Redskins front office-worker.

The worker has told me some big news in the past, which has later been accurate. Example, in 2009 he told me we were going to make a push to get jay cutler, before ESPN reported that he was officially on the trading block. In 2008 he told me if Colt Brennan was there in the later rounds, we would draft him. In 2010 he told me the team liked Trent Williams more than Russell Okung and he would be our pick if Detroit didn't take him.

The point is he's accurate with his info.

He recently told me some key info regarding our first pick. "expect it to be Robert Griffin, because we are willing to trade 2 first rounders and at least a 3rd for him, and Mike really likes this kid."

I thought I'd relay this message with you all, take this as you want, but I trust this source.

Add a top tier receiver in free agency, get some o-linemen, resign fred davis and I'd say top 8 offense.

GTripp0012 · 01-13-2012, 12:34 AM

If I was in charge, I would trade up to third overall, assuming I could get a decent deal from the Vikings (no 2013 first rounder). Doing so would force the Rams' hand. Sure they still could trade the pick to someone for Griffin, or then they could take Griffin themselves, but I'd be totally okay with having Justin Blackmon or Matt Kalil as a contingency plan. Third overall is a good spot to be in this draft.

I think, ultimately, it would be a much cheaper way of landing Robert Griffin. The Browns aren't going to move up for him. The Dolphins or Seahawks might, but I think the number one most likely scenario where Griffin isn't around at number two is that the Rams take him.

I think if he's sitting there at fourth overall, Cleveland probably takes him. But I think they will be extremely hesitant to go up.

Obviously this only matters if there is a heavy bidding war for the second overall pick and relatively nothing for the third overall pick. It makes a lot more sense in that case to be in the third slot.

Chief X_Phackter · 01-13-2012, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Didn't Jennings miss the last game? Put a bonafide #1 on the Skins and they have plenty of talent. Anyone think Fred Davis and Chris Cooley couldn't get their stat on playing for Green Bay? Who are their all-world running backs again? If Rex were their QB would anyone know Jordy Nelson's name?

Isn't their O-line, the same one that made Aaron Rodgers one of the most sacked QBs in the league just a few years ago, all banged up right now? What's their D ranked again? QB play is the difference maker on that team.

If all it takes for Flynn to play at his current level is talent, well then just go get Dwayne Bowe, draft WR and O-line early and often and pencil us in as NFC East champs next year

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If Brees was playing in NO with Bowe, Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney, Davis, Cooley, Helu, Royster and Hightower would there be peeps bemoaning his lack of talent. No, they'd still be scoring 30 plus a game. He'd make Paul, Austin and Armstrong viable fantasy options.

With a good QB and some additional parts on Offense, there's no reason the Skins couldn't drastically improve their Offensive production. And with 9 draft picks and free agency, there's no reason to believe they won't get the pieces they need. For the record, I'm in the get Flynn AND draft a rookie high camp. Hell, get another one late for good measure. Cover all the bases, hedge your bets!

I enjoyed reading this post. Lot of good points.

Chief X_Phackter · 01-13-2012, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If I was in charge, I would trade up to third overall, assuming I could get a decent deal from the Vikings (no 2013 first rounder). Doing so would force the Rams' hand. Sure they still could trade the pick to someone for Griffin, or then they could take Griffin themselves, but I'd be totally okay with having Justin Blackmon or Matt Kalil as a contingency plan. Third overall is a good spot to be in this draft.

I think, ultimately, it would be a much cheaper way of landing Robert Griffin. The Browns aren't going to move up for him. The Dolphins or Seahawks might, but I think the number one most likely scenario where Griffin isn't around at number two is that the Rams take him.

I think if he's sitting there at fourth overall, Cleveland probably takes him. But I think they will be extremely hesitant to go up.

Obviously this only matters if there is a heavy bidding war for the second overall pick and relatively nothing for the third overall pick. It makes a lot more sense in that case to be in the third slot.

Might as well just wait to see who the Rams pick then try to move up if he's there. I doubt the Vikings consider trading the pick anyway until they know who went second.

Shadowbyte · 01-13-2012, 02:47 AM

No way would I trade with the Vikings which would open up an opportunity for the Cleveland Browns to trade up with St.Louis and steal our QB. Yeah I said it, our QB

I'm content with Bruce giving up 2 1st rounders. That's the price you have to pay for a franchise QB in today's passing league.

GTripp0012 · 01-13-2012, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Might as well just wait to see who the Rams pick then try to move up if he's there. I doubt the Vikings consider trading the pick anyway until they know who went second.

That'd be the safe way to play it, but I think that pick gets a heck of a lot more expensive if Griffin is still there with Cleveland picking later. At that point, it might be just as costly as going to get the second pick.

By trading up to no. 3 a few days before the draft, it does define your intentions re: RG3, but with Cleveland sitting at no. 4, you're really not changing the market any. You just position yourself for a quarterback while taking the Rams out of their power position with that pick. They can take best offer for the pick or they can select Griffin themselves, but knowing very well that the Redskins (and Browns) are now direct competition to them for guys they want (Griffin, Kalil, Blackmon), it should make the Rams a lot more hesitant to trade the pick.

By trading up to three a couple days before the draft, you're basically beating everyone to the punch and killing the market for the Rams at no. 2.

IrMitchell · 01-13-2012, 06:11 AM

Ladies and Gentlemen, Chandler Harnish from his senior year.

You Tube

I know it's a highlight tape, but impressive for a guy nobody is talking about yet.

Alvin Walton · 01-13-2012, 07:26 AM

I like Harnish. If for some reason we dont get a QB in the first round I'd take a shot at him later.

MonkFan4Life · 01-13-2012, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Do what you have to do to get RGIII or Luck. Just make the trade. No Flynn, no Hoyer (Really? Hoyer?) No Tannehill, No Foles, give the Rams 2012 1st rounder , 2013 1st rounder, 2012 3rd rounder, 2013 4th rounder or replace 2012 3rd rounder with 2012 2nd rounder and draft your QB.

As far as WR goes 3rd round possibilities: Ryan Broyles, Dwight Jones, Marvin McNutt, sign Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe or DeSean Jackson.

If this were Facebook I would like this!

redskins5044 · 01-13-2012, 08:56 AM

I guess it makes sense to trade for #3 pick since it will be cheaper, but better have a backup plan for QB just in case some leap frogs us or rams take him. Cause after luck and griffin no other QB IMO is starter material in the draft. So if they go this route then they better have signed a veteran QB just in case.

Mattyk · 01-13-2012, 09:03 AM

If RG3 is their guy, just trade up to #2 and grab him. Don't F around with the possibility of not getting him. Go big or go home.

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Right now it’s easy to be more intrigued by Griffin than anyone else. My preference: getting the best QB you can find is the option. If that means trading up for Griffin, then do it. Shanahan is not one to settle for a guy if he thinks he can land an elite player. There’s no guarantee with any player, but having to trade a couple picks for a guy I think can really play would not be a deterrent. To trade up high in the first round means you’re convinced the player will be elite. If you’re not convinced, don’t do it. There’s nothing the Redskins have needed more for a long time than a franchise QB. If that’s Griffin, get him and don’t hesitate.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: Redskins mailbag: Ask John | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner

skinsguy · 01-13-2012, 09:17 AM

So, when are these trades actually agreed upon? Is it the day of the draft, minutes before the draft pick comes up, or is weeks prior? I've always assumed these trades are presented right before the team is on the clock for that valued pick. I'm sure they are presented offers from the other teams in advance before draft day, but I'm assuming they don't show their hand until they actually go to pick.

IF it's a case where nothing is set in stone until the team is on the clock, this is interesting to me. For starters, it's gutsy to just trade up to #3. You're assuming Seattle or Miami don't have anything substantial to offer to leap frog all the way up to #2, and you're probably right. BUT, you still have Cleveland, who seems to be the direct competition for the RG III sweepstakes. They have two number one picks in this year's draft. It wouldn't take much for them just to leap up to #2. And, I'm wondering if Cleveland would even HAVE to give up one of those first round picks? I mean, nothing would virtually change for the Rams, because if their pick is Blackmon or Kalil, then those guys are still going to be there at #4 (since the 'skins pick RG III at #3.) So, they might be willing to take a lesser trade with the Browns, move down to #4, and maybe the Browns give away second round picks? I guess the advantages are that the Rams give up virtually nothing by moving down, and they would pick up extra good picks in this year's draft instead of having to wait for future picks, even though those picks could be first rounders. It's a difference between having that juicy double whopper now or waiting later for the New York strip.

If the Browns have no intentions of moving up to #2 at all, then yes, the best move for the Redskins is to move up to #3, give up less, still get RG III. All I know is, I want a QB that can start from day one, and the only two I feel that are capable of that are Luck and Griffin.

SmootSmack · 01-13-2012, 09:18 AM

Well with Tannehill being hurt and Landry Jones not even coming out, it definitely makes RG3 that much more valuable...but the Rams know that, and last I heard two firsts and a third won't be enough

01-13-2012, 12:34 AM	#49
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 25 Posts: 15,143	Re: 2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5) If I was in charge, I would trade up to third overall, assuming I could get a decent deal from the Vikings (no 2013 first rounder). Doing so would force the Rams' hand. Sure they still could trade the pick to someone for Griffin, or then they could take Griffin themselves, but I'd be totally okay with having Justin Blackmon or Matt Kalil as a contingency plan. Third overall is a good spot to be in this draft. I think, ultimately, it would be a much cheaper way of landing Robert Griffin. The Browns aren't going to move up for him. The Dolphins or Seahawks might, but I think the number one most likely scenario where Griffin isn't around at number two is that the Rams take him. I think if he's sitting there at fourth overall, Cleveland probably takes him. But I think they will be extremely hesitant to go up. Obviously this only matters if there is a heavy bidding war for the second overall pick and relatively nothing for the third overall pick. It makes a lot more sense in that case to be in the third slot. __________________ Shanahan: “The bad thing is he's [Sav Rocca] probably our best offensive weapon and that’s not good.”

01-13-2012, 02:47 AM	#52
Shadowbyte Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 383	Re: 2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5) No way would I trade with the Vikings which would open up an opportunity for the Cleveland Browns to trade up with St.Louis and steal our QB. Yeah I said it, our QB I'm content with Bruce giving up 2 1st rounders. That's the price you have to pay for a franchise QB in today's passing league.

01-13-2012, 07:26 AM	#55
Alvin Walton Playmaker Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 3,847	Re: 2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5) I like Harnish. If for some reason we dont get a QB in the first round I'd take a shot at him later. __________________ REDSKINS FAN SINCE 1968 CHARTER MEMEBER OF THE DALLAS SWEEPERS CLUB

01-13-2012, 08:56 AM	#57
redskins5044 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Schertz, Tx Age: 33 Posts: 2,358	Re: 2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5) I guess it makes sense to trade for #3 pick since it will be cheaper, but better have a backup plan for QB just in case some leap frogs us or rams take him. Cause after luck and griffin no other QB IMO is starter material in the draft. So if they go this route then they better have signed a veteran QB just in case.

01-13-2012, 09:17 AM	#59
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 5,998	Re: 2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5) So, when are these trades actually agreed upon? Is it the day of the draft, minutes before the draft pick comes up, or is weeks prior? I've always assumed these trades are presented right before the team is on the clock for that valued pick. I'm sure they are presented offers from the other teams in advance before draft day, but I'm assuming they don't show their hand until they actually go to pick. IF it's a case where nothing is set in stone until the team is on the clock, this is interesting to me. For starters, it's gutsy to just trade up to #3. You're assuming Seattle or Miami don't have anything substantial to offer to leap frog all the way up to #2, and you're probably right. BUT, you still have Cleveland, who seems to be the direct competition for the RG III sweepstakes. They have two number one picks in this year's draft. It wouldn't take much for them just to leap up to #2. And, I'm wondering if Cleveland would even HAVE to give up one of those first round picks? I mean, nothing would virtually change for the Rams, because if their pick is Blackmon or Kalil, then those guys are still going to be there at #4 (since the 'skins pick RG III at #3.) So, they might be willing to take a lesser trade with the Browns, move down to #4, and maybe the Browns give away second round picks? I guess the advantages are that the Rams give up virtually nothing by moving down, and they would pick up extra good picks in this year's draft instead of having to wait for future picks, even though those picks could be first rounders. It's a difference between having that juicy double whopper now or waiting later for the New York strip. If the Browns have no intentions of moving up to #2 at all, then yes, the best move for the Redskins is to move up to #3, give up less, still get RG III. All I know is, I want a QB that can start from day one, and the only two I feel that are capable of that are Luck and Griffin. __________________ Not the same Skinsguy that posts on ES.

01-13-2012, 09:18 AM	#60
SmootSmack Mad Men Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 43,097	Re: 2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5) Well with Tannehill being hurt and Landry Jones not even coming out, it definitely makes RG3 that much more valuable...but the Rams know that, and last I heard two firsts and a third won't be enough __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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