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Old 01-13-2012, 01:24 AM   #46
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Didn't Jennings miss the last game? Put a bonafide #1 on the Skins and they have plenty of talent. Anyone think Fred Davis and Chris Cooley couldn't get their stat on playing for Green Bay? Who are their all-world running backs again? If Rex were their QB would anyone know Jordy Nelson's name?

Isn't their O-line, the same one that made Aaron Rodgers one of the most sacked QBs in the league just a few years ago, all banged up right now? What's their D ranked again? QB play is the difference maker on that team.

If all it takes for Flynn to play at his current level is talent, well then just go get Dwayne Bowe, draft WR and O-line early and often and pencil us in as NFC East champs next year.

If Brees was playing in NO with Bowe, Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney, Davis, Cooley, Helu, Royster and Hightower would there be peeps bemoaning his lack of talent. No, they'd still be scoring 30 plus a game. He'd make Paul, Austin and Armstrong viable fantasy options.

With a good QB and some additional parts on Offense, there's no reason the Skins couldn't drastically improve their Offensive production. And with 9 draft picks and free agency, there's no reason to believe they won't get the pieces they need. For the record, I'm in the get Flynn AND draft a rookie high camp. Hell, get another one late for good measure. Cover all the bases, hedge your bets!
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Old 01-13-2012, 01:30 AM   #47
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If I was in charge, I would trade up to third overall, assuming I could get a decent deal from the Vikings (no 2013 first rounder). Doing so would force the Rams' hand. Sure they still could trade the pick to someone for Griffin, or then they could take Griffin themselves, but I'd be totally okay with having Justin Blackmon or Matt Kalil as a contingency plan. Third overall is a good spot to be in this draft.

I think, ultimately, it would be a much cheaper way of landing Robert Griffin. The Browns aren't going to move up for him. The Dolphins or Seahawks might, but I think the number one most likely scenario where Griffin isn't around at number two is that the Rams take him.

I think if he's sitting there at fourth overall, Cleveland probably takes him. But I think they will be extremely hesitant to go up.

Obviously this only matters if there is a heavy bidding war for the second overall pick and relatively nothing for the third overall pick. It makes a lot more sense in that case to be in the third slot.
Might as well just wait to see who the Rams pick then try to move up if he's there. I doubt the Vikings consider trading the pick anyway until they know who went second.
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No way would I trade with the Vikings which would open up an opportunity for the Cleveland Browns to trade up with St.Louis and steal our QB. Yeah I said it, our QB I'm content with Bruce giving up 2 1st rounders. That's the price you have to pay for a franchise QB in today's passing league.
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Might as well just wait to see who the Rams pick then try to move up if he's there. I doubt the Vikings consider trading the pick anyway until they know who went second.
That'd be the safe way to play it, but I think that pick gets a heck of a lot more expensive if Griffin is still there with Cleveland picking later. At that point, it might be just as costly as going to get the second pick.

By trading up to no. 3 a few days before the draft, it does define your intentions re: RG3, but with Cleveland sitting at no. 4, you're really not changing the market any. You just position yourself for a quarterback while taking the Rams out of their power position with that pick. They can take best offer for the pick or they can select Griffin themselves, but knowing very well that the Redskins (and Browns) are now direct competition to them for guys they want (Griffin, Kalil, Blackmon), it should make the Rams a lot more hesitant to trade the pick.

By trading up to three a couple days before the draft, you're basically beating everyone to the punch and killing the market for the Rams at no. 2.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, Chandler Harnish from his senior year.


I know it's a highlight tape, but impressive for a guy nobody is talking about yet.
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I like Harnish. If for some reason we dont get a QB in the first round I'd take a shot at him later.
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Do what you have to do to get RGIII or Luck. Just make the trade. No Flynn, no Hoyer (Really? Hoyer?) No Tannehill, No Foles, give the Rams 2012 1st rounder , 2013 1st rounder, 2012 3rd rounder, 2013 4th rounder or replace 2012 3rd rounder with 2012 2nd rounder and draft your QB.

As far as WR goes 3rd round possibilities: Ryan Broyles, Dwight Jones, Marvin McNutt, sign Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe or DeSean Jackson.
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I guess it makes sense to trade for #3 pick since it will be cheaper, but better have a backup plan for QB just in case some leap frogs us or rams take him. Cause after luck and griffin no other QB IMO is starter material in the draft. So if they go this route then they better have signed a veteran QB just in case.
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If RG3 is their guy, just trade up to #2 and grab him. Don't F around with the possibility of not getting him. Go big or go home.

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Right now itís easy to be more intrigued by Griffin than anyone else. My preference: getting the best QB you can find is the option. If that means trading up for Griffin, then do it. Shanahan is not one to settle for a guy if he thinks he can land an elite player. Thereís no guarantee with any player, but having to trade a couple picks for a guy I think can really play would not be a deterrent. To trade up high in the first round means youíre convinced the player will be elite. If youíre not convinced, donít do it. Thereís nothing the Redskins have needed more for a long time than a franchise QB. If thatís Griffin, get him and donít hesitate.

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So, when are these trades actually agreed upon? Is it the day of the draft, minutes before the draft pick comes up, or is weeks prior? I've always assumed these trades are presented right before the team is on the clock for that valued pick. I'm sure they are presented offers from the other teams in advance before draft day, but I'm assuming they don't show their hand until they actually go to pick.

IF it's a case where nothing is set in stone until the team is on the clock, this is interesting to me. For starters, it's gutsy to just trade up to #3. You're assuming Seattle or Miami don't have anything substantial to offer to leap frog all the way up to #2, and you're probably right. BUT, you still have Cleveland, who seems to be the direct competition for the RG III sweepstakes. They have two number one picks in this year's draft. It wouldn't take much for them just to leap up to #2. And, I'm wondering if Cleveland would even HAVE to give up one of those first round picks? I mean, nothing would virtually change for the Rams, because if their pick is Blackmon or Kalil, then those guys are still going to be there at #4 (since the 'skins pick RG III at #3.) So, they might be willing to take a lesser trade with the Browns, move down to #4, and maybe the Browns give away second round picks? I guess the advantages are that the Rams give up virtually nothing by moving down, and they would pick up extra good picks in this year's draft instead of having to wait for future picks, even though those picks could be first rounders. It's a difference between having that juicy double whopper now or waiting later for the New York strip.

If the Browns have no intentions of moving up to #2 at all, then yes, the best move for the Redskins is to move up to #3, give up less, still get RG III. All I know is, I want a QB that can start from day one, and the only two I feel that are capable of that are Luck and Griffin.
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Well with Tannehill being hurt and Landry Jones not even coming out, it definitely makes RG3 that much more valuable...but the Rams know that, and last I heard two firsts and a third won't be enough
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If RG3 is their guy, just trade up to #2 and grab him. Don't F around with the possibility of not getting him. Go big or go home.
Ultimately I agree with this the most. If only Colt McCoy was set in stone to be Cleveland's franchise QB for the long term, then the Redskins would have wiggle room. But, ultimately, it takes a lot of guts to chance a move up to #3, give up picks but maybe not as much, and still wind up without a QB. That could either be the best move the Redskins have ever made, or the stupidest. Moving up to #2 is a no brainer. You're guaranteed a projected elite QB, whether if it's Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III.
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Well with Tannehill being hurt and Landry Jones not even coming out, it definitely makes RG3 that much more valuable...but the Rams know that, and last I heard two firsts and a third won't be enough
How about two firsts and a conditional pick that could turn into a 2nd?

Either way, for a team with so many needs, you would think the Rams would be crazy to turn something down like that.
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That'd be the safe way to play it, but I think that pick gets a heck of a lot more expensive if Griffin is still there with Cleveland picking later. At that point, it might be just as costly as going to get the second pick.

By trading up to no. 3 a few days before the draft, it does define your intentions re: RG3, but with Cleveland sitting at no. 4, you're really not changing the market any. You just position yourself for a quarterback while taking the Rams out of their power position with that pick. They can take best offer for the pick or they can select Griffin themselves, but knowing very well that the Redskins (and Browns) are now direct competition to them for guys they want (Griffin, Kalil, Blackmon), it should make the Rams a lot more hesitant to trade the pick.

By trading up to three a couple days before the draft, you're basically beating everyone to the punch and killing the market for the Rams at no. 2.
I get your overall logic of moving up to 3, but some of your points don't make sense to me. The Rams are in the power position simply because they pick ahead of us (& Browns). They will use that leverage to the very end I would imagine regardless of whether we trade up to 3 or not. If we're at 3 & they are still getting good offers for that pick, they'll trade it if it works for them.

If anything, us trading to 3 merely ups the price for Cleveland or others & makes the pick more valuable. The Rams are in a good position, they can get the player they want or land a lot of high round picks. That doesn't change that much if we trade up to 3 IMO.
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How about two firsts and a conditional pick that could turn into a 2nd?

Either way, for a team with so many needs, you would think the Rams would be crazy to turn something down like that.
Don't think they would turn that down. They are going to publically play the draft game though.

Someone mentioned trading up to 3 before the draft. Another team could leapfrog us on draft day to #2 and draft a QB, leaving us w/ no Luck or Griffin and the #3 pick.
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