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Old 01-13-2012, 09:18 AM   #61
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Well with Tannehill being hurt and Landry Jones not even coming out, it definitely makes RG3 that much more valuable...but the Rams know that, and last I heard two firsts and a third won't be enough
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If RG3 is their guy, just trade up to #2 and grab him. Don't F around with the possibility of not getting him. Go big or go home.
Ultimately I agree with this the most. If only Colt McCoy was set in stone to be Cleveland's franchise QB for the long term, then the Redskins would have wiggle room. But, ultimately, it takes a lot of guts to chance a move up to #3, give up picks but maybe not as much, and still wind up without a QB. That could either be the best move the Redskins have ever made, or the stupidest. Moving up to #2 is a no brainer. You're guaranteed a projected elite QB, whether if it's Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III.
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Well with Tannehill being hurt and Landry Jones not even coming out, it definitely makes RG3 that much more valuable...but the Rams know that, and last I heard two firsts and a third won't be enough
How about two firsts and a conditional pick that could turn into a 2nd?

Either way, for a team with so many needs, you would think the Rams would be crazy to turn something down like that.
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That'd be the safe way to play it, but I think that pick gets a heck of a lot more expensive if Griffin is still there with Cleveland picking later. At that point, it might be just as costly as going to get the second pick.

By trading up to no. 3 a few days before the draft, it does define your intentions re: RG3, but with Cleveland sitting at no. 4, you're really not changing the market any. You just position yourself for a quarterback while taking the Rams out of their power position with that pick. They can take best offer for the pick or they can select Griffin themselves, but knowing very well that the Redskins (and Browns) are now direct competition to them for guys they want (Griffin, Kalil, Blackmon), it should make the Rams a lot more hesitant to trade the pick.

By trading up to three a couple days before the draft, you're basically beating everyone to the punch and killing the market for the Rams at no. 2.
I get your overall logic of moving up to 3, but some of your points don't make sense to me. The Rams are in the power position simply because they pick ahead of us (& Browns). They will use that leverage to the very end I would imagine regardless of whether we trade up to 3 or not. If we're at 3 & they are still getting good offers for that pick, they'll trade it if it works for them.

If anything, us trading to 3 merely ups the price for Cleveland or others & makes the pick more valuable. The Rams are in a good position, they can get the player they want or land a lot of high round picks. That doesn't change that much if we trade up to 3 IMO.
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How about two firsts and a conditional pick that could turn into a 2nd?

Either way, for a team with so many needs, you would think the Rams would be crazy to turn something down like that.
Don't think they would turn that down. They are going to publically play the draft game though.

Someone mentioned trading up to 3 before the draft. Another team could leapfrog us on draft day to #2 and draft a QB, leaving us w/ no Luck or Griffin and the #3 pick.
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Last I heard, the Rams want at least this year's 1st and 2nd plus next year's 1st and possibly 3rd
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Last I heard, the Rams want at least this year's 1st and 2nd plus next year's 1st and possibly 3rd
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Last I heard, the Rams want at least this year's 1st and 2nd plus next year's 1st and possibly 3rd
My source told me they are prepared to give up whatever is necessary to get RG3, and are prepared to give up two firsts and (don't quote me on this part) a third (or he said second and third; I don't remember).

He also said Shanahan is looking at it like this, whats the point of saving all these future picks, if his future here is donzo for next year, should he fail with a less quality player (Tannehill for example), than with a high energy-high quality player like RG3 who could bring your team to a winning record. Shanny also knows that snyder likes the big name. If us fans are going ''ahh tannehill'' snyder will here and agree and put Shanahan on a tighter lesh. If its RG3 the fans will like it based on potential, and snyder will like it because its a big name that will put fans in the seats, and it will certainly buy shanahan longer time here in DC. The High quality/potential guy will buy him time, the low quality guy won't.


As for other tid-bits he told me.

I asked him about Matt Flynn, he said he hasn't heard much about him.

Asked about Andrew Luck, he said we all like him, but we all know he's Indy bound.

I asked if we can trade or cut Dhall, he gave me a tight-lipped politically correct answer.
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Old 01-13-2012, 12:32 PM   #69
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How about Kirk Cousins in burgundy and gold? i feel like he's that under the radar guy that the skins can pick up
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The worker has told me some big news in the past, which has later been accurat

He recently told me some key info regarding our first pick. "expect it to be Robert Griffin, because we are willing to trade 2 first rounders and at least a 3rd for him, and Mike really likes this kid."

I thought I'd relay this message with you all, take this as you want, but I trust this source.
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last i heard, the rams want at least this year's 1st and 2nd plus next year's 1st and possibly 3rd
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2012 Senior Bowl: Ranking Every Prospect Who Will Be Attending | Bleacher Report

Some great prospects will be at the game. Brian Quick WR App St.

Bobby Wagner ILB Utah (Compared to London Fletcher)

The Iowa State CB, said to be a great overall corner.

All the Big Ten and SEC Lineman are also intriguing to me at Guard, Tackle, and Center (also the FSU guy and the UAB guy has a lot of potential it sounds like)
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My source told me they are prepared to give up whatever is necessary to get RG3, and are prepared to give up two firsts and (don't quote me on this part) a third (or he said second and third; I don't remember).

He also said Shanahan is looking at it like this, whats the point of saving all these future picks, if his future here is donzo for next year, should he fail with a less quality player (Tannehill for example), than with a high energy-high quality player like RG3 who could bring your team to a winning record. Shanny also knows that snyder likes the big name. If us fans are going ''ahh tannehill'' snyder will here and agree and put Shanahan on a tighter lesh. If its RG3 the fans will like it based on potential, and snyder will like it because its a big name that will put fans in the seats, and it will certainly buy shanahan longer time here in DC. The High quality/potential guy will buy him time, the low quality guy won't.


As for other tid-bits he told me.

I asked him about Matt Flynn, he said he hasn't heard much about him.

Asked about Andrew Luck, he said we all like him, but we all know he's Indy bound.

I asked if we can trade or cut Dhall, he gave me a tight-lipped politically correct answer.
This year's 1st and 2nd and next year's 1st and 3rd? I'd be OK with that as long as they can land a true #1 in free agency and some O-line help. The RBs and TEs are plenty talented.... at least enough to make the Offense productive with good QB play.

They'd still have 6 picks this year and I believe 7 next year. They've shown they can find some solid players in the mid to late rounds. They could still bring Rex back and draft another QB late or bring in an undrafted guy.

But couldn't Cleveland trump our offer with 2 first round picks THIS year? We'd need them to make a run at Flynn.
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But couldn't Cleveland trump our offer with 2 first round picks THIS year? We'd need them to make a run at Flynn.
With the price that high I actually see both us and Cleveland as less of a threat to trade up for RG3 and see Miami and Seattle suddenly as major players. Anyway at Smoots reported Rams price I'd rather sign Flynn. My price was a 1st and 2nd this year and a conditional 3rd that could turn into a 2nd next year.
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I can understand where Shanny is comming from, if he doesn't make the right move for the right guy it will be his last year in Washington the stakes are very high.
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