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Old 01-25-2012, 07:48 PM   #91
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Re: 2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5)

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GTripp, I would like your analysis of Foles along with video if you don't mind.
I'll go with two Foles tapes: the game that everyone who hates Foles goes to for evidence he can't play, plus a couple of slightly more glowing ones.

Nick Foles vs. Oklahoma State



Foles had his worst game of the season. But the only thing really notable about this game for Foles was how quickly the OSU scoreboard keeps ascending. Foles made a number of key throws in this game to keep Arizona in it until the fourth quarter, but he simply couldn't compete with a nationally ranked team.

Arizona's left and right tackles are awful football players and I don't think their receivers get much separation.

Foles gets caught guessing based on a presnap look about 3 or 4 times in the first half, leading to a negative play. He does this far less as the season progresses, but this is a tendency he showed in 2009 and 2010. I thought the OSU defense disguised their stuff pretty well, and was able to go blow for blow with Nick Foles (not that they needed to, with their offense).

Nick Foles vs. Arizona State



There's an argument to be had (based on this tape and Senior Bowl work) that Foles simply needs to work faster. He processes information quickly, but if he's going to fail in the NFL it is because he doesn't get the ball out quickly enough snap to release to help his receivers.

Foles throws a lot of guys open. He has to. There is no alternative. These is not only a weak supporting cast, but a lot of these receivers he throws to are just soft football players.

To me, Nick Foles handles speed deficiencies really well. Oregon vs. Arizona and USC vs. Arizona should have been total mismatches on paper, but Foles can speed himself up or slow himself down even when the defense can play much faster than his offense. He couldn't have completed 70% of his passes against a Pac-12 schedule otherwise.

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no tannehill, no weeden, please. If you sign flynn and get tannehill or whatever, fine - great.

If we get RGIII, great, but don't whiff and don't sell me on a 2nd tier guy if you can't get your guy.

and we will need a WR, whether its blackmon or bowe or whoever. I wouldn't mind flynn, bowe, claiborne, xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx I'd be estatic.
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no tannehill, no weeden, please. If you sign flynn and get tannehill or whatever, fine - great.

If we get RGIII, great, but don't whiff and don't sell me on a 2nd tier guy if you can't get your guy.

and we will need a WR, whether its blackmon or bowe or whoever. I wouldn't mind flynn, bowe, claiborne, xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx I'd be estatic.
I agree, shanahan has to the choose who he feels fits well here. If he goes the weeden, tannehill, foles route and doesn't sign Flynn or get Hoyer it will be a hard sell if he starts the season with grossman or beck. So I think he either has to give up a lot of picks and move up for RG3 or either get Flynn or Hoyer then draft a QB in the second round.
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GTripp whats you opinion on Cousins? I heard he is a leader and an alright prospect.
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Tripp:

Thanks for the vids Bro.

RG3 is the guy we need. bottom line.
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GTripp whats you opinion on Cousins? I heard he is a leader and an alright prospect.
I have a fringe first round grade on him and think he's the 5th best QB prospect in this draft (Luck-Moore-Griffin-Foles)
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Tannehill against Northwestern



Really I think this is a good example of how much he struggled during the second half of this season. He seemed to lose confidence. His ball placement is erratic, his receivers aren't getting separation, he's questioning his reads. Sometimes he takes charge of the play at the line at looks great, but he's not controlling the game like he was in his first 10 or so A&M starts. He's misreading the coverage waaay too often to be comfortable. In this game, he looks more like Osweiler, but without the ability.

I think the dysfunction at A&M this year probably caused Tannehill to develop some bad habits and make some questionable decisions, but when you compare him to a guy like Foles who played in all sorts of dysfunction the last two years and still completes 67-70% of his throws, Tannehill just doesn't grade out as a top two round guy.

He's my 7th rated QB right now, and I'm not rating Weeden (who is a better player) because of his age.
Tannehill didn't even play QB until he got to college. No way would I touch this guy.
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I think out of all the guys in the draft outside of Luck and RG3, Foles has the most upside. He needs to be coached up and his mechanics need work, but he'd be my guy. If they want to try and win now, perhaps Weedon is the guy. But if we draft a QB, I hope it's one of the two.
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Tannehill didn't even play QB until he got to college. No way would I touch this guy.
What are you talking about? He played QB in high school
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I am just not impressed by Tannehill and Cousins at all.
Tannehill seems to get flustered once the pocket collapses and has trouble thinking on his feet.
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Let's draft Blackmon in the first round then Weeden in the second!
I doubt Blackmon falls to #6 and I'm worried Weeden won't last to the second round.
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I doubt Blackmon falls to #6 and I'm worried Weeden won't last to the second round.
He won't last until March, when I'll be Weeden my garden.
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When is the first day that trades will be allowed?
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When is the first day that trades will be allowed?
I believe when the new league year starts in March.
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